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    Ricky Ray - debate on return/retirement

    CFL.ca article about Ricky:


    https://www.cfl.ca/2017/12/16/great-...ray-walk-away/


    (I personally hope he returns and plays with Franklin as our backup -- time will tell).

    There's a poll at bottom article - at this time, nearly 60% has him playing next season.

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    https://www.tsn.ca/argos-rb-whitaker...ement-1.947301

    Ricky's not the only one.

    With the emergence of Wilder Jr., safe to safe B-Whit is on his way out as well...

    I expect more touches for Declan Cross and perhaps another import RB to carry the load...

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    Everyone mentions what Burris did. If Burris was 38 when he did it there's no way he'd have retired.

    I see two possibilities. 1. They sign Franklin and Ray returns as backup as he transitions to coaching 2. They don't sign Franklin and Ray returns to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post

    I see two possibilities. 1. They sign Franklin and Ray returns as backup as he transitions to coaching 2. They don't sign Franklin and Ray returns to start.
    I agree those are the most likely scenarios. I can't see Franklin agreeing to backup money when there are likely other teams that would sign him as a starter. I'd love both guys on the roster, with Franklin playing the most but Ricky available as needed. I don't see it happening the other way, unfortunately.
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    My uneducated guess is Ray retires on top which in many ways could be a blessing in that it would force the Argos to sign Franklin as their QB.
    Ray was fantastic in 2017 but I fear a commitment to him in 2018 will force the Argos to miss out on their QB of the future (Franklin) which they would ultimately regret for years to come.
    From Ray’s perspective what a way to end his career!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    I agree those are the most likely scenarios. I can't see Franklin agreeing to backup money when there are likely other teams that would sign him as a starter. I'd love both guys on the roster, with Franklin playing the most but Ricky available as needed. I don't see it happening the other way, unfortunately.
    I don't see it happening either way. If Ray doesn't retire, he will be the starter IMO, and Franklin will test FA to see if anyone offers starters money. The only way they sign both is if Franklin doesn't have a starters job with starters pay offered to him elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    My uneducated guess is Ray retires on top which in many ways could be a blessing in that it would force the Argos to sign Franklin as their QB.
    Ray was fantastic in 2017 but I fear a commitment to him in 2018 will force the Argos to miss out on their QB of the future (Franklin) which they would ultimately regret for years to come.
    From Ray’s perspective what a way to end his career!
    Only problem is that there is no guarantee they would have Franklin beyond 2018. If he starts, and has a good year, he will take an NFL chance. I don't see him signing a longer than 1 year contract with his known desire to try the NFL.

    I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't be too upset if the Ray returned and the Argos signed Collaros rather than Franklin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I don't see it happening either way. If Ray doesn't retire, he will be the starter IMO, and Franklin will test FA to see if anyone offers starters money. The only way they sign both is if Franklin doesn't have a starters job with starters pay offered to him elsewhere.



    Only problem is that there is no guarantee they would have Franklin beyond 2018. If he starts, and has a good year, he will take an NFL chance. I don't see him signing a longer than 1 year contract with his known desire to try the NFL.

    I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't be too upset if the Ray returned and the Argos signed Collaros rather than Franklin.
    As long as they address the QB situation for the future I’m ok with it, my fear is Ray returns for another year then retires and the Argos are left empty handed.
    In regards to Franklin you would think Popp has a pretty good idea of his expectations moving forward.
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    I think we'd all feel better if we had Ray plus another guy who'd be expected to win games (regardless of who the game 1 starter was) but could we afford it without seriously harming the rest of the team? We have a few players who will be expecting good raises next year, and our anticipated retirees aren't big ticket guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post

    Only problem is that there is no guarantee they would have Franklin beyond 2018. If he starts, and has a good year, he will take an NFL chance. I don't see him signing a longer than 1 year contract with his known desire to try the NFL.
    I don't think we will sign him if he only wants one year. At least two years or nothing. It takes a year for the city just to learn the guy's name. They are going to market the heck out of James Wilder Jr. next year, and even if he leaves after the end of it they will have gained some marketing mileage out of him. You don't get that bump if the guy's here for just one year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I don't think we will sign him if he only wants one year. At least two years or nothing. It takes a year for the city just to learn the guy's name. They are going to market the heck out of James Wilder Jr. next year, and even if he leaves after the end of it they will have gained some marketing mileage out of him. You don't get that bump if the guy's here for just one year.
    Agree, if the Argos are giving Franklin starters money (which they will need to) then they should demand he signs for 2 years.
    One and done does is no good for this franchise IMO.
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    We could still lose Franklin no matter what Ray decides to do. Franklin is clearly Plan B if Ray retires, but if he bolts, what's Plan C ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post
    We could still lose Franklin no matter what Ray decides to do. Franklin is clearly Plan B if Ray retires, but if he bolts, what's Plan C ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argofans.com View Post
    Zach?
    I'd have zero issue with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I don't see it happening either way. If Ray doesn't retire, he will be the starter IMO, and Franklin will test FA to see if anyone offers starters money. The only way they sign both is if Franklin doesn't have a starters job with starters pay offered to him elsewhere.



    Only problem is that there is no guarantee they would have Franklin beyond 2018. If he starts, and has a good year, he will take an NFL chance. I don't see him signing a longer than 1 year contract with his known desire to try the NFL.

    I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't be too upset if the Ray returned and the Argos signed Collaros rather than Franklin.
    If Franklin cannot be signed or intends to sign on looking to be a one-and-done, and if Bridge's NFL audition comes to naught, then by all means try to sign Bridge to a longer deal. BB is around six years younger than ZC and brings a great deal of upside.
    While there's current performance data on BB, there is none on ZC, and that concerns me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo View Post
    If Franklin cannot be signed or intends to sign on looking to be a one-and-done, and if Bridge's NFL audition comes to naught, then by all means try to sign Bridge to a longer deal. BB is around six years younger than ZC and brings a great deal of upside.
    While there's current performance data on BB, there is none on ZC, and that concerns me.
    Zach is 3.5 years older than Bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post
    Zach is 3.5 years older than Bridge.
    And IMO a lot better.
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    I still think Ricky will do the Henry last year thing and retire.
    As for Franklin, there are no guarantees, similarly the contract are also not guaranteed.
    Therefore I would roll the dice with him as from what I have seen he is a franchise player.
    The team should do whatever it takes to sign him to a multi year deal.

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    I think most posters have a case of the "recency" effect when it comes to the negative evaluations on Collaros.

    Collaros in his time with the Argos, won I believe 4 of 5 on a crucial Argos Trip.

    Having left the Argos, he led the Kitties to two Grey Cup appearances.

    Safe to say, he would be a viable option if Franklin were to fly the coop. Buy low, sell high on Collaros...

    His injuries have certainly reduced his potential worth, but I believe Zach would be more likely to sign a 2 year contract and sit behind Ray - more than Franklin would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skilz View Post
    Having left the Argos, he led the Kitties to two Grey Cup appearances.
    One, actually. Henry got them to the 2013 GC, Zach the following year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post
    Zach is 3.5 years older than Bridge.
    Ok, got it.

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