Ricky Ray - debate on return/retirement

[argos1873]

Regardless of Ray's age related limitations - I believe we will see him return for the paycheck & no other reason.
No doubt we owe the Grey Cup to his leadership & the chance to repeat this feat would be important to him - but retirement is not something he will consider.
Instead of going out while on top - he will choose another year of earning the big money while he is still able...
And I can't say I'll blame him once he does.

I honestly never saw Ray as a paycheck first guy. If he comes back, which I actually think he will, its because he loves playing football, and loves winning. I think he tries to play till 40 (if his body allows him), and I don't think its just for the paycheck.

[Topshelf]

The Manziel window is now open.
Sadly, I think he'd sell more tickets, so I wouldn't be suprised if our new owners mlse are making calls

[gilthethrill]

The Manziel window is now open.
Sadly, I think he'd sell more tickets, so I wouldn't be suprised if our new owners mlse are making calls

I disagree. I don't think MLSE will be making any calls. Jim Popp calls the shots with the Argos.

[Argo57]

I disagree. I don't think MLSE will be making any calls. Jim Popp calls the shots with the Argos.

Also don’t think Manziel is a Trestman type of player.

[gilthethrill]

Also don’t think Manziel is a Trestman type of player.

I don't know how this will play out....but I still see Collaros in Double Blue next season.

[doubleblue]

My take is still (until other wise stated by the Argos) that Ricky is coming back and Franklin will eventually sign as his back up with the promise to see more playing time and of course learning under Trestman, the QB Guru.
The NFL will want to see Franklin play more before committing any big time money to him, which is exactly what the Giants told Bridge. There is no substitute for game time playing experience. I don't think it is a big deal for Ricky to go "out on top". He's playing well, should have most of the offence back and things were really just starting to come together in the last half of the season. They can hit the ground running in 2018. Might just to be a bigger deal for Ricky to add to his HOF stats than just having won another Grey Cup. Been there done that a few times.

Of course I have been wrong before, just can't remember. lol

[Jon Gonzo]

I agree. Ricky Ray is not paycheck-driven but we all have families.

My hunch hasn't changed. I think Ricky is coming back. Why? Cos he's in "QB Nirvana" and he knows it. And, because he also knows he's capable. Hank did it, Damon did it and most importantly another immobile QB with a quick release did it under the same system. He can win another CUP, he can jump into 2nd All-Time in "Most Pass Completions," and 3rd in "Yards in a season/passing."

And he can message his future in coaching under a couple of former QB's who know how to coach.

It's win-win.

I think Ricky will rest his bones, and be back AND I don't buy that James Franklin won't buy what Jim Popp is selling also.

Call it optimistic, but I see a large amount of FA's returnees next year, with Ray and Franklin getting paid for starts.

Winning programs are magnetic.

[Argo]

I agree. Ricky Ray is not paycheck-driven but we all have families.

My hunch hasn't changed. I think Ricky is coming back. Why? Cos he's in "QB Nirvana" and he knows it. And, because he also knows he's capable. Hank did it, Damon did it and most importantly another immobile QB with a quick release did it under the same system. He can win another CUP, he can jump into 2nd All-Time in "Most Pass Completions," and 3rd in "Yards in a season/passing."

And he can message his future in coaching under a couple of former QB's who know how to coach.

It's win-win.

I think Ricky will rest his bones, and be back AND I don't buy that James Franklin won't buy what Jim Popp is selling also.

Call it optimistic, but I see a large amount of FA's returnees next year, with Ray and Franklin getting paid for starts.

Winning programs are magnetic.

Most any Argos fan could float happily within this scenario. It even - hypothetically, of course - solves the potentially fatal problem of sinking too many dollars into the QB position (and a wonderfully strong QB position at that).

[Argo]

I disagree. I don't think MLSE will be making any calls. Jim Popp calls the shots with the Argos.

Thankfully, Johnny Football is Hamilton's "opportunity". Although a good outcome for all concerned would also be good for the league.

[AngeloV]

I don't know how this will play out....but I still see Collaros in Double Blue next season.

So do I. Unless Ray retires before February, I don't see the Argos with any chance at signing Franklin, and Collaros would be great IMO.

[Neely2005]

If Ray returns in 2018, let's see if he stays healthy again. 2 out of 6 "healthy" seasons is nothing to crow about.

The 2 Grey Cups in those 2 seasons are.

Has also played more games in Toronto than Collaros has in Hamilton during the same time.

[R.J]

The 2 Grey Cups in those 2 seasons are.

Has also played more games in Toronto than Collaros has in Hamilton during the same time.

I'm pretty sure that Jarious Jackson had to play a few games in 2012 due to an injury to Ray, so not exactly what I'd call healthy. I find it interesting that you always seem to bring up Collaros when he wasn't even discussed, almost as if you have nothing else to fall back on. The actual numbers show that in terms of games where the QB entered the game, Ray has played in 2 more regular season games, but he and Collaros are even when including playoffs. In terms of starting, Ray has started one more regular season game, but Collaros has a 1 game advantage over Ray when playoffs are included.

I also find it odd that QB wins (including Grey Cups) are not a valid stat to some, unless it benefits Ricky Ray in a discussion.

[Neely2005]

I'm pretty sure that Jarious Jackson had to play a few games in 2012 due to an injury to Ray, so not exactly what I'd call healthy. I find it interesting that you always seem to bring up Collaros when he wasn't even discussed, almost as if you have nothing else to fall back on. The actual numbers show that in terms of games where the QB entered the game, Ray has played in 2 more regular season games, but he and Collaros are even when including playoffs. In terms of starting, Ray has started one more regular season game, but Collaros has a 1 game advantage over Ray when playoffs are included.

I also find it odd that QB wins (including Grey Cups) are not a valid stat to some, unless it benefits Ricky Ray in a discussion.

So everything that I said was accurate then. I compared Ray to Collaros because you already said that you were okay with Collaros in this very Thread:

I'd have zero issue with that.

[R.J]

You stated that Ray started in more games than Collaros, which technically isn't true since Collaros has started in 1 more game than Ray when including playoffs. And you also stated that Ray's two healthy seasons lead to Grey Cup, which again isn't true since Jackson had to start a few games in 2012 due to Ray being injured. Ray's "healthy" season were in 2014 and 2017, where he started in 17 regular season games and played in the playoffs.

Sounds to me as though you're still bitter about the whole Ray vs. Collaros thing.

[Argo57]

You stated that Ray started in more games than Collaros, which technically isn't true since Collaros has started in 1 more game than Ray when including playoffs. And you also stated that Ray's two healthy seasons lead to Grey Cup, which again isn't true since Jackson had to start a few games in 2012 due to Ray being injured. Ray's "healthy" season were in 2014 and 2017, where he started in 17 regular season games and played in the playoffs.

Sounds to me as though you're still bitter about the whole Ray vs. Collaros thing.

No one should be bitter, most of us still basking in the glow of our latest World Championship.
Relax and enjoy!

[Neely2005]

You stated that Ray started in more games than Collaros, which technically isn't true since Collaros has started in 1 more game than Ray when including playoffs. And you also stated that Ray's two healthy seasons lead to Grey Cup, which again isn't true since Jackson had to start a few games in 2012 due to Ray being injured. Ray's "healthy" season were in 2014 and 2017, where he started in 17 regular season games and played in the playoffs.

Sounds to me as though you're still bitter about the whole Ray vs. Collaros thing.

Actually if you want to get technical I said played not started. I consider 2012 a healthy season too.

Why would I be bitter? The Argonauts made the right choice and kept Ray who lead us to another Grey Cup. Collaros was oft injured and then benched in favour of a mediocre at best backup Quarterback. Collaros hasn't won a game since 2016.

[R.J]

Actually if you want to get technical I said played not started. I consider 2012 a healthy season too.

Why would I be bitter? The Argonauts made the right choice and kept Ray who lead us to another Grey Cup. Collaros was oft injured and then benched in favour of a mediocre at best backup Quarterback. Collaros hasn't won a game since 2016.

Funny how you say that Collaros is oft injured, and yet refuse to admit that Ray is as well.

[Neely2005]

Funny how you say that Collaros is oft injured, and yet refuse to admit that Ray is as well.

Whatever, this conversation goes nowhere with you, and people say I'm biased.

When did I say that Ray doesn't get injured? I said that Collaros was injured as often or more often than Ray.

The difference is that Ray wins Grey Cups, Collaros rides the bench.

[Jon Gonzo]

No one should be bitter, most of us still basking in the glow of our latest World Championship.
Relax and enjoy!

Yes, I was thinking that we'd all still be smoking cigars at this point.

Enjoy the rum dipped bliss (;

[R.J]

The Manziel window is now open.
Sadly, I think he'd sell more tickets, so I wouldn't be suprised if our new owners mlse are making calls

I don't see the Ticats letting Manziel go anywhere, way too much potential for the team on and off the field.