Ticats send QB Collaros to Roughriders

[Stevoman]

A good trade for the Riders. The only negative I see, if he is actually signed, is the amount of scrutiny Collaros will be under. When things weren't going well last year, he was quite irritated with reporters and that could happen fast in Saskatchewan but I do think he'll rebound and be excellent there. He'll become legendary in that province.

[Antwon]

A good trade for the Riders. The only negative I see, if he is actually signed, is the amount of scrutiny Collaros will be under. When things weren't going well last year, he was quite irritated with reporters and that could happen fast in Saskatchewan but I do think he'll rebound and be excellent there. He'll become legendary in that province.

Zach like a lot of other players were sick of Austin. Also others around the league have noted how little QB protection was incorporated in his Austin's offence.
It was one of the first things Jones changed.

[OV Argo]

Zach like a lot of other players were sick of Austin. Also others around the league have noted how little QB protection was incorporated in his Austin's offence.
It was one of the first things Jones changed.

I keep hearing that, but I'm not sure how this new & improved "protection" thing was instituted under June Jones? Other than Masoli being a more mobile QB than Collaros (who has some decent mobility himself)? Not liked they made big changes in personnel on their O-line from what i saw? And they still ran standard CFL 5 pack look - with not much ground game, and I don't recall seeing a little used fullback for extra protection in their offence (they used Prime a bit there - maybe he played more after Jones came in? - not that i saw); plus they traded away supposed great blocking back Gable ? So maybe it was Jones himself or another coach making tweaks to the O-line (like the Argos O-line improved with Himebauch coming in) - not sure what those tweaks could be though ?

More like Jones installed his version of a run & shoot passing game, with receiver reads/adjustments on the fly, and with more deep passes to Banks - and the whole offence, and particulalry Masoli, took well to it.

[Antwon]

I keep hearing that, but I'm not sure how this new & improved "protection" thing was instituted under June Jones? Other than Masoli being a more mobile QB than Collaros (who has some decent mobility himself)? Not liked they made big changes in personnel on their O-line from what i saw? And they still ran standard CFL 5 pack look - with not much ground game, and I don't recall seeing a little used fullback for extra protection in their offence (they used Prime a bit there - maybe he played more after Jones came in? - not that i saw); plus they traded away supposed great blocking back Gable ? So maybe it was Jones himself or another coach making tweaks to the O-line (like the Argos O-line improved with Himebauch coming in) - not sure what those tweaks could be though ?

More like Jones installed his version of a run & shoot passing game, with receiver reads/adjustments on the fly, and with more deep passes to Banks - and the whole offence, and particulalry Masoli, took well to it.

If I find the article I'll post it. When Ptaszek left Hamilton to go out west he discussed learning from both Austin and Jones. Specific to Jones he talked about how much planning went into protecting the QB. And like you said blocking schemes, quick outlets, check downs, receiver reads etc. Reading between the lines it sounded like Austin did not have a lot if that incorporated.

[Skilz]

If I find the article I'll post it. When Ptaszek left Hamilton to go out west he discussed learning from both Austin and Jones. Specific to Jones he talked about how much planning went into protecting the QB. And like you said blocking schemes, quick outlets, check downs, receiver reads etc. Reading between the lines it sounded like Austin did not have a lot if that incorporated.

This is the article that Antwon speaks of.

http://3downnation.com/2017/12/09/we...ts-job-at-ubc/

From reading further into the matter, the roster bonus was due Feb 1st. More than likely Sask. could have kept the pick and still signed Collaros at fair market value.

Montreal was likely to be a contender to sign him, but nobody else in the East. BC might have made him an offer as well...

Foolish on the Riders Part overall. But from an Argos point of view, could this push Franklin to sign in Toronto - other than Montreal - I can't see a clear cut "walk on" spot to becoming a starting QB.

Got to love Kavis Reed - he inherits Durant with a pick he traded to Sask - which was then used to acquire Collaros.

[paulwoods13]

I keep hearing that, but I'm not sure how this new & improved "protection" thing was instituted under June Jones? Other than Masoli being a more mobile QB than Collaros (who has some decent mobility himself)? Not liked they made big changes in personnel on their O-line from what i saw?

You must have missed it but both tackle positions changed from the first half of the season to the second half -- Tony Washington and Riker Matthews were a huge upgrade over what they had earlier in the year.

[OV Argo]

You must have missed it but both tackle positions changed from the first half of the season to the second half -- Tony Washington and Riker Matthews were a huge upgrade over what they had earlier in the year.

Yeah - you're right and that slipped my mind; maybe those guys were "huge" upgrades; but i seem to recall that Matthews guy getting burned some and Washington is a journeyman type who has been let go by other CFL teams. I also now seem to recall them going with an extra O-lineman (NI back-up Rice) in some sets? So better talent plus different blocking schemes maybe? Still say it was likely much more about Masoli and the June Jones different passing offence.

I thought Masoli was fantastic a lot of the time last season (just like in his record consecutive completion game the year before (vs. the Esks?)); the guy just finds a way to get passes off, even when in trouble, and is pretty accurate; plus very mobile. A very under-rated CFL QB now IMO. Wonder if he gets thrown under the bus there if they sign Johnny Superstar and just hand him the starting job without real TC competition (that wouldn't surprise me in the least) ? OR - i still think there is the possibility that they try to fleece that dullard Mavis in trade for the rights to Manziel ? - Als are desperate for a QB; Hamilton should not be with Masoli. But maybe the idea is that Manziel and all the hype would sell lots of tickets? - again, maybe more need in Montreal there ?

[Argo57]

Yeah - you're right and that slipped my mind; maybe those guys were "huge" upgrades; but i seem to recall that Matthews guy getting burned some and Washington is a journeyman type who has been let go by other CFL teams. I also now seem to recall them going with an extra O-lineman (NI back-up Rice) in some sets? So better talent plus different blocking schemes maybe? Still say it was likely much more about Masoli and the June Jones different passing offence.

I thought Masoli was fantastic a lot of the time last season (just like in his record consecutive completion game the year before (vs. the Esks?)); the guy just finds a way to get passes off, even when in trouble, and is pretty accurate; plus very mobile. A very under-rated CFL QB now IMO. Wonder if he gets thrown under the bus there if they sign Johnny Superstar and just hand him the starting job without real TC competition (that wouldn't surprise me in the least) ? OR - i still think there is the possibility that they try to fleece that dullard Mavis in trade for the rights to Manziel ? - Als are desperate for a QB; Hamilton should not be with Masoli. But maybe the idea is that Manziel and all the hype would sell lots of tickets? - again, maybe more need in Montreal there ?

I agree OV, Masoli is underrated.
Mobile with a pretty decent arm, makes the odd bad play and simply shrugs it off and keeps battling.
Should continue to improve with experience and June Jones coaching him.

[paulwoods13]

Yeah - you're right and that slipped my mind; maybe those guys were "huge" upgrades; but i seem to recall that Matthews guy getting burned some and Washington is a journeyman type who has been let go by other CFL teams. I also now seem to recall them going with an extra O-lineman (NI back-up Rice) in some sets? So better talent plus different blocking schemes maybe? Still say it was likely much more about Masoli and the June Jones different passing offence.

Yes, Washington has bounced around the league. So have lots of guys who played well in multiple locations -- he certainly has played well for more than one team. All OTs get burned on occasion, too -- even all-stars. The guy who does play by play for the Ticats and attends their practices regularly is a lot less blasé than you are about the contributions those two guys made. Maybe he's a GOB?

[OV Argo]

Yes, Washington has bounced around the league. So have lots of guys who played well in multiple locations -- he certainly has played well for more than one team. All OTs get burned on occasion, too -- even all-stars. The guy who does play by play for the Ticats and attends their practices regularly is a lot less blasé than you are about the contributions those two guys made. Maybe he's a GOB?

Ah, you're going by the word of an expert who hangs around the team lots and gets to hear team shill wisdom; well why didn't you say so / I stand corrected.

[AngeloV]

Yes, Washington has bounced around the league. So have lots of guys who played well in multiple locations -- he certainly has played well for more than one team. All OTs get burned on occasion, too -- even all-stars. The guy who does play by play for the Ticats and attends their practices regularly is a lot less blasé than you are about the contributions those two guys made. Maybe he's a GOB?

Masoli also played in Jones offence, something Collaros didn't have a chance to do. Run and shoot is designed to get rid of the ball a lot sooner, and the line looks better as a result.