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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    Not overly thrilled seeing Waters return, well past his expiry date IMO.
    Would have been nice to see Popp have a look at some new blood at that position, who knows maybe he tried but the player (Van G) wasn’t interested.
    Waters is 30 years old and should have many years left, especially for kicker. He has posted some videos of late, showing impressive punting accuracy. He still has the leg and is putting in work, while not siting around. I think he will surprise a few and have a good year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoZ View Post
    Waters is 30 years old and should have many years left, especially for kicker. He has posted some videos of late, showing impressive punting accuracy. He still has the leg and is putting in work, while not siting around. I think he will surprise a few and have a good year.
    We’ll see, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy the last couple of seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    We’ll see, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy the last couple of seasons.
    I like Waters but he no longer has the luxury of kicking in a dome.

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    I like Waters, as a person and as a kicker but I’m cautious of his inconsistencies and injuries. Would’ve preferred if they brought in a NAT like that Quinn van guy from UBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilthethrill View Post
    Is Brian Jones a FA?
    Nope.

    And even if he was - doubt he gets much serious interest. Standard GOB "thinking" now has mostly imports playing receiver, with usually only one NI receiver in the 5 pack, and often it is at lesser used wide-side WR (Sinopoli and Coombs are a couple of exceptions); and Jones is more of a big body, bruising older style CFL slotback (DiPietro, Elgaard) and those types are basically out of CFL fashion now too. So unless a CFL team is looking for good ole NI receiver "depth" or think Jones can be a special teams stud (maybe?), I sort of doubt he commands much interest; shame maybe cause IMO he could possibly be a big factor as an inside receiver who trucks smaller DBs and LBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    I like Waters, as a person and as a kicker but I’m cautious of his inconsistencies and injuries.
    So say we all.

    If he can stay healthy, I'd expect an improvement in our punting game. Hajrullahu was an accurate place kicker but a below average punter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    I like Waters, as a person and as a kicker but I’m cautious of his inconsistencies and injuries. Would’ve preferred if they brought in a NAT like that Quinn van guy from UBC.
    Exactly my point as well, time for some new blood.
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    I was honestly expecting a little more division on here regarding the Waters signing TBH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbler View Post
    So say we all.

    If he can stay healthy, I'd expect an improvement in our punting game. Hajrullahu was an accurate place kicker but a below average punter.
    Disagree on the below average punter thing. He was pretty consistent on placing the ball between the numbers and sidelines which is what coaches want out of punters these days. Waters, IIRC, was booming punts, but mostly straight down the middle of the field. I hope he has improved on his punt placement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbler View Post
    If he can stay healthy, I'd expect an improvement in our punting game. Hajrullahu was an accurate place kicker but a below average punter.
    I agree 100%. LH's punting was inconsistent as hell. At his peak, Waters was an ace punter. Remember the Labour Day in Hamilton (2014?) where he put two punts out of bounds at the one? Sure, it was four years ago. But stranger things have happened than 30-somethings overcoming the "he's always injured" rap.
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    I can't remember too many bad misses last year for LH. There was a couple but over all he came through in the clutch to win games, GC included. Maybe his decision was more a location thing rather than just the money as he apparently lives closer to Hamilton. But an Import kicker is going to cut out somebody in the lineup. Just hope it isn't on the offensive line. Putting Washington in at RG along with Wilder (a big running back, hello Jim Popp) really turned things around down the stretch IMO. Ricky stopped taking a lot of big hits and we saw the results. It's not rocket science.
    Import kickers, if they are any good, always head back to the NFL so it's just a revolving door. But maybe Waters has that all out of his system by now. Don't know about his quads though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Disagree on the below average punter thing. He was pretty consistent on placing the ball between the numbers and sidelines which is what coaches want out of punters these days. Waters, IIRC, was booming punts, but mostly straight down the middle of the field. I hope he has improved on his punt placement.
    I'll take directional punting over "big leg" punting any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    I can't remember too many bad misses last year for LH. There was a couple but over all he came through in the clutch to win games, GC included. Maybe his decision was more a location thing rather than just the money as he apparently lives closer to Hamilton. But an Import kicker is going to cut out somebody in the lineup. Just hope it isn't on the offensive line. Putting Washington in at RG along with Wilder (a big running back, hello Jim Popp) really turned things around down the stretch IMO. Ricky stopped taking a lot of big hits and we saw the results. It's not rocket science.
    Import kickers, if they are any good, always head back to the NFL so it's just a revolving door. But maybe Waters has that all out of his system by now. Don't know about his quads though.
    Kicker should have no impact on the o-line situation as it would replace one of the DI's and not a starter. Sign Muamba and that will allow the 2 imports on the o-line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    Import kickers, if they are any good, always head back to the NFL so it's just a revolving door. But maybe Waters has that all out of his system by now. Don't know about his quads though.
    At 30, he's almost certainly done with any NFL aspirations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    I can't remember too many bad misses last year for LH.
    Well he blew the kick that would have won the game in Hamilton. I was never really comfortable with this guy. I think Waters is a big upgrade.

    And I think it's great we are going into a season without having to rebuild our secondary all over again. Gabriel, Vaughn, Heath are proven veterans, Sears will up his game after last year's debacle and benching, I really loved Darby's game and Ford was solid, this looks like a big play defence with a great mix of youth and experience, hopefully Josh Mitchell re-ups and I think it's an upgrade over last year's secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Kicker should have no impact on the o-line situation as it would replace one of the DI's and not a starter. Sign Muamba and that will allow the 2 imports on the o-line.

    Exactly; having an import kicker on your roster as a DI should have next to zero negative impact.

    Love to see Muamba signed; cause passport advantage aside, he is a flat-out excellent talent at MLB (he didn't make the NFL for nothing either) - who makes plays; I like Bear Woods, and Plummer really impressed late in the season too, but Muamba is top notch.

    Laing (w/ Finley and/or Gaydosh) at DT, Muamba (keep Plummer around too, plus Herdman can back-up as well) at MLB, and Gabriel (or maybe Woodson or draft one of the good looking prospects there) at S = 3 starting NIs on D and strength down the middle.


    But didn't Popp di@k Mumaba around back with the Als - similar to Ego-Jones - cheaping out on paying a top Canadian talent; while they fawn all over and sign to big contracts, their kinda guys ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    Exactly; having an import kicker on your roster as a DI should have next to zero negative impact.

    Love to see Muamba signed; cause passport advantage aside, he is a flat-out excellent talent at MLB (he didn't make the NFL for nothing either) - who makes plays; I like Bear Woods, and Plummer really impressed late in the season too, but Muamba is top notch.

    Laing (w/ Finley and/or Gaydosh) at DT, Muamba (keep Plummer around too, plus Herdman can back-up as well) at MLB, and Gabriel (or maybe Woodson or draft one of the good looking prospects there) at S = 3 starting NIs on D and strength down the middle.


    But didn't Popp di@k Mumaba around back with the Als - similar to Ego-Jones - cheaping out on paying a top Canadian talent; while they fawn all over and sign to big contracts, their kinda guys ?
    Agreed on Muamba OV. He was lights out the last third of the season last year on what I considered the fastest defence in the league. You know I like Bear Woods a lot, but the Argos took him out on a lot of passing downs last year. I see Muamba as an every down LB and special teamer, similar to O'Shea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    I agree 100%. LH's punting was inconsistent as hell.
    Inconsistent is probably a better word. Some games it seemed like he was providing nothing but very returnable line-drive kicks.

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    Sad to lose Cam Walker today. He seemed to be a consistent performer on special teams with the possibility of being a back up linebacker.

    Happy with the signing of Ronnie Yell which is now official!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoman View Post
    Sad to lose Cam Walker today. He seemed to be a consistent performer on special teams with the possibility of being a back up linebacker.

    Happy with the signing of Ronnie Yell which is now official!
    I agree with you on both counts.

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