Wilder extends

**bluto** · 03-03-2018, 01:42 PM

Never doubted this precise outcome.

Also no doubt over his release next January.

**AngeloV** · 03-03-2018, 01:45 PM

I think this forum should re-name February to over-reaction month. 😂😂😂

**ArgoGabe22** · 03-03-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by bluto

Never doubted this precise outcome.

Also no doubt over his release next January.

I was thinking the same thing. No guarantees he will be back in 2019 if a side deal was negotiated again.

**ArgoGabe22** · 03-03-2018, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by R.J

A great back ?
Let's see what Wilder does over a full season.

As I recall it, I said Whitaker was done, took a lot of heat for it as well IIRC. So yeah, I think Wilder is an upgrade, just nowhere near as amazing as some make him out to be. For some reason some view Kackert and Wilder in the same light as someone like Flutie, and it boggles my mind.

I'm not a kool aid drinker, I get that there's passion and attachment around here, but losing objectivity and being blind aren't necessary IMO.

Where was it ever said that Wilder and Kackert are in same light as Flutie? I think you like to play this game as always being the “anti guy” like you were with Ray and Milanovich. I’m glad Ray proved you wrong and hoping Wilder will too.

**AngeloV** · 03-03-2018, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by R.J

I wonder if his legend will still grow ?

Says the guy that claims he only had 4 good games last year. Including playoffs, started 9 games and had over 100 yards from scrimmage in 7 of them. I don’t recall an Argo back doing that type of thing since Robert Drummond.

**R.J** · 03-03-2018, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

Where was it ever said that Wilder and Kackert are in same light as Flutie? I think you like to play this game as always being the “anti guy” like you were with Ray and Milanovich. I’m glad Ray proved you wrong and hoping Wilder will too.

I still feel the same about Milanovich, I don't think there was anyone happier to see him go to the NFL, and I wish him nothing but success. The longer he's there, the longer I never have to see him step foot in our league. As for Ray, I still feel pretty much the same about him overall, he wasn't done last year and I'm happy for him, but I still think he's nearing the end. I'll leave it at that because I'd rather not be disrespectful to him any longer. I'm hoping Wilder proves me wrong as well.............. how else will his jersey get retired ?

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Says the guy that claims he only had 4 good games last year. Including playoffs, started 9 games and had over 100 yards from scrimmage in 7 of them. I don’t recall an Argo back doing that type of thing since Robert Drummond.

Angelo, you know me well enough around here to know what a running back is to me. Receiving out of the backfield is not what I'd call a top running back, and Wilder was inconsistent in the run game. Most of his yards came on something like 4 or 5 massive runs, again he reminds me of a bigger Chevon Walker. I also don't think he's a elite blocker, mid range right now who could get better with time, but nowhere near the elite blocker that some make him out to be. People should watch CJ Gable in a game, when healthy that's what I'd call an elite all round back.

**gilthethrill** · 03-03-2018, 02:53 PM

Good news for everyone. Wilder should have a huge year. Argos win the East again.

**Argo** · 03-03-2018, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wobbler

I'm very glad to have him back, and I think his raising the issues of the 2y minimum contract and the challenges of living in an expensive city (with minimal team support) was healthy and perhaps even brave. Hopefully the CFLPA was paying attention.

Agree on all points.

**Saugonaut** · 03-03-2018, 03:41 PM

So houses coming on the market in my neighborhood in Sauga, JWJr and I could car share to BMO!

**dmont** · 03-03-2018, 03:45 PM

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Very surprised by this outcome.

If he was willing to play for more money in the cfl, what was the point of all this? He didn't even try to renegotiate with Popp before going nuclear all over social media. Why not at least ATTEMPT to renegotiate in private?

Here's what I think: Wilder realized he screwed up. He and his agent overreacted to an NFL kick at the tires. Thought the noise on social media would induce the Argos to release him. But, 1) Popp didn't release him, 2) NFL interest probably dried up after they realized they were breaking the agreement with the CFL and the NFL GMs hate it when a player airs dirty laundry on social media, and 3) there's a reasonable chance the NFL window will be brought back in the next CBA. When Popp reached out with a reasonable extension offer, Wilder jumped for it.

While I think way better of Wilder than I do Butler, I think taking to social media was a very poor move that ultimately hurt his shot at returning to the NFL. Perhaps some good will come of it in terms of his case's impact on the CBA and the commissioner cracking down on side deals, but I don't believe that was his intent. I hope he plays lights out and this all becomes a bad memory.

**Saugonaut** · 03-03-2018, 03:51 PM

Social media is tough for atheletes, it's like having a reporter in your pocket at all times. Stroman aired some Jays dirty laungry last week too, it's human nature to get mad when money discussions don't go the way you like. But unlike most people tweeting about their employers, these guys get a spot on Sports Centre.

It is what it is.

**Scooter McCray** · 03-03-2018, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

I think this forum should re-name February to over-reaction month. 😂😂😂

Last February was a $#it show. Had Copeland not fallen backwards into both Popp and Trestman (only blind luck they were both available) the very future of this franchise might be in question today. This February 180 degrees better. I think MLSE can make thus team and it's players household names if they commit their big blue machine behind the Argos.

**R.J** · 03-03-2018, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by dmont

Perhaps some good will come of it in terms of his case's impact on the CBA and the commissioner cracking down on side deals

I'm hoping for this as well. I believe there was a vote on the NFL window not too long ago and it got nixed. I can't recall whom, but either Naylor or Lalji reported that some GM's think leaving it out benefits them as an unfair advantage, since not all teams do it, they can promise players they will release them when an opportunity arises, or something along those lines. I'm hoping at the very least Ambrosie comes down with an iron fist on this, and if GM's don't want the NFL window back, then they have to give something else in return, whatever that may be. Players have been getting screwed over for too long IMO, not only are football ops ballooning, but even football ops salaries have risen, Eg. Matthews made around $300k a year when he was here, Trestman reportedly makes around $600k, and as another example: starting QB's make around the same as they did in the early 90's. Coaches and GM's can also leave as they please should an opportunity come forward, and yet the players can't do the same ? Something's wrong here.

**R.J** · 03-03-2018, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Scooter McCray

Last February was a $#it show. Had Copeland not fallen backwards into both Popp and Trestman (only blind luck they were both available) the very future of this franchise might be in question today. This February 180 degrees better. I think MLSE can make thus team and it's players household names if they commit their big blue machine behind the Argos.

Can you imagine if Barker and Milanovich were still here ?

**OV Argo** · 03-03-2018, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by R.J

I still feel the same about Milanovich, I don't think there was anyone happier to see him go to the NFL, and I wish him nothing but success. The longer he's there, the longer I never have to see him step foot in our league. As for Ray, I still feel pretty much the same about him overall, he wasn't done last year and I'm happy for him, but I still think he's nearing the end. I'll leave it at that because I'd rather not be disrespectful to him any longer. I'm hoping Wilder proves me wrong as well.............. how else will his jersey get retired ?

Angelo, you know me well enough around here to know what a running back is to me. Receiving out of the backfield is not what I'd call a top running back, and Wilder was inconsistent in the run game. Most of his yards came on something like 4 or 5 massive runs, again he reminds me of a bigger Chevon Walker. I also don't think he's a elite blocker, mid range right now who could get better with time, but nowhere near the elite blocker that some make him out to be. People should watch CJ Gable in a game, when healthy that's what I'd call an elite all round back.

CJ Gable ? - you must be joking? Guy is as mediocre as it gets for a CFL RB, and his supposed great blocking skills are way over-rated and probably imagined by his ex-coach Austin. You want half decent at ball carrying, receiving and blocking out of a back - then Gable is your guy. Wonder why June Jones and the obviously improved Ticat offence did not want to keep this star RB Gable as a big part of their offence ?

**macspectrum** · 03-03-2018, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Says the guy that claims he only had 4 good games last year. Including playoffs, started 9 games and had over 100 yards from scrimmage in 7 of them. I don’t recall an Argo back doing that type of thing since Robert Drummond.

attachment from wilder's twitter feed

**doubleblue** · 03-03-2018, 04:49 PM

Randy Ambrosie (Sargent Shultz) was saying the other day something about how he would like to see more Players getting off season jobs. Don't think he put any restrictions on who they could "work" for. Then JW quickly extends.
But I hear nothing, know nothing, see nothing. I'm just glad James is back and ready to roll.