GAME THREAD / Week 7 / Toronto @ Winnipeg

[Wobbler]

TBH I haven't been entertained in a few years now - even last year was hit and miss at best IMO. Interestingly enough while my interest in the CFL has been dying since 2014; it's been the opposite for my interest in the NLL, NHL and Indycar.

Last year was hit-or-miss for me too, but if you weren't entertained by the (fantastic, IMO) playoff games...

[Argo57]

TBH I haven't been entertained in a few years now - even last year was hit and miss at best IMO. Interestingly enough while my interest in the CFL has been dying since 2014; it's been the opposite for my interest in the NLL, NHL and Indycar.

That’s fair RJ, I enjoyed our D improvement last season culminating exciting playoff games.
Attendance figures in Toronto seem to validate your views on how entertaining games are.

[R.J]

Last year was hit-or-miss for me too, but if you weren't entertained by the (fantastic, IMO) playoff games...

Both playoffs games ended well, but were boring for 55 minutes of the game.

That’s fair RJ, I enjoyed our D improvement last season culminating exciting playoff games.
Attendance figures in Toronto seem to validate your views on how entertaining games are.

I find this season the worst yet. Too many blowouts, and if they're not blowouts it's games like the Blackreds and Ticats today. I pay quite a bit of money for my Leafs, Rock, Argos, and Ticats season tickets, along with going to the Honda Indy annually, but I find the CFL the least entertaining. And to me that says a lot, because for years I didn't miss one CFL game; now I miss them all the time and frankly don't care. Heck, I've fallen asleep a couple of times at live games (Today at Tim Hortons and a couple of years ago at BMO).

[Argo57]

Both playoffs games ended well, but were boring for 55 minutes of the game.

I find this season the worst yet. Too many blowouts, and if they're not blowouts it's games like the Blackreds and Ticats today. I pay quite a bit of money for my Leafs, Rock, Argos, and Ticats season tickets, along with going to the Honda Indy annually, but I find the CFL the least entertaining. And to me that says a lot, because for years I didn't miss one CFL game; now I miss them all the time and frankly don't care. Heck, I've fallen asleep a couple of times at live games (Today at Tim Hortons and a couple of years ago at BMO).

As I and many have previously commented this season (so far) has the similar stench of 2016 which was a low point in my 40+ years as an Argo fan.
However league wide the majority of the games have been lacking in entertainment value.
Big issue for me is the subpar officiating (which often leads to game changing results) which has been an issue for several seasons without being addressed by the league.
Expanded NFL rosters have also had an impact on the overall talent level which could get worse with the new league starting.

[PullTogether73]

Both playoffs games ended well, but were boring for 55 minutes of the game.

I find this season the worst yet. Too many blowouts, and if they're not blowouts it's games like the Blackreds and Ticats today. I pay quite a bit of money for my Leafs, Rock, Argos, and Ticats season tickets, along with going to the Honda Indy annually, but I find the CFL the least entertaining. And to me that says a lot, because for years I didn't miss one CFL game; now I miss them all the time and frankly don't care. Heck, I've fallen asleep a couple of times at live games (Today at Tim Hortons and a couple of years ago at BMO).

As I and many have previously commented this season (so far) has the similar stench of 2016 which was a low point in my 40+ years as an Argo fan.
However league wide the majority of the games have been lacking in entertainment value.
Big issue for me is the subpar officiating (which often leads to game changing results) which has been an issue for several seasons without being addressed by the league.
Expanded NFL rosters have also had an impact on the overall talent level which could get worse with the new league starting.

You can add me to this group.
I have been finding the games less engaging during the regular season for a few years now.
I still find the playoffs exciting generally though.

And aside from last night's game, I do find that the officiating is at least less intrusive into the games than it has been over the past few seasons.

[macspectrum]

Hey look!
The sun DID actually rise this morning!

I was a bit unsure after last night's debacle.

u are correct - it did indeed rise
lol !!

[macspectrum]

Totally anecdotal but I know quite a few Argonauts season ticket holders that simply didn't make the move to BMO Field. Some of these fans were older and prefered the climate controlled Rogers Centre. Others didn't drive and took the Subway to the Rogers Centre and weren't interested in sitting in traffic on a crowded Streetcar.

i too think skydome was a much better venue than bmo field - john candy was a very good shot in the arm - too bad he is gone
...
the marketing types will never understand that marketing wont bring fans back
the argos/cfl need to be perceived as being as being 'top tier' again
i think the cfl lost fans w/ all that black out nonsense
then jays showed up, then the raptors and the perception, especially by many football fans under 40, that nfl is the way to go

yes, the argos did get screwed by baseball/jays re not playing in skydome
home game in ft mcmurray ? very bush league
ottawa has no team, then years later it does - bush league
seems talks to get a team in halifax are stalling - bush league
different surface in one end zone and 17 yd end zones and commish knew about this last yr !!!! - very bush league
[i still think buono would have made a much better commish than ambroise]

argos now need a dynasty of success and i think that will help bring fans back instead of venues and marketing
like the eskimos won 5 gc in a row
visiting teams need to be afraid of playing the argos

but still no excuse for the argos to not draw at least 30k or move argos to halifax, the logo is already set [scullers]

[Argo57]

i too think skydome was a much better venue than bmo field - john candy was a very good shot in the arm - too bad he is gone
...
the marketing types will never understand that marketing wont bring fans back
the argos/cfl need to be perceived as being as being 'top tier' again
i think the cfl lost fans w/ all that black out nonsense
then jays showed up, then the raptors and the perception, especially by many football fans under 40, that nfl is the way to go

yes, the argos did get screwed by baseball/jays re not playing in skydome
home game in ft mcmurray ? very bush league
ottawa has no team, then years later it does - bush league
seems talks to get a team in halifax are stalling - bush league
different surface in one end zone and 17 yd end zones and commish knew about this last yr !!!! - very bush league
[i still think buono would have made a much better commish than ambroise]

argos now need a dynasty of success and i think that will help bring fans back instead of venues and marketing
like the eskimos won 5 gc in a row
visiting teams need to be afraid of playing the argos

but still no excuse for the argos to not draw at least 30k or move argos to halifax, the logo is already set [scullers]

Try removing the franchise in the countries largest market and see how negotiations go for the next TV deal.
Not so simple.

[AngeloV]

The stupidity is back on this site. Time for another break.

[Will]

This thread is intended for discussions of the game on Friday.

Any further griping about attendance should be in a different thread altogether.

[OV Argo]

I am no coach or defensive expert but is there any scheme that doesn't include your front four going after the opposing QB? I don't know if any scheme will work without pressure up front.

This defensive coaching brain-trust has no excuse for continuing to trot out & start, total non-impact / do nothing defenders like Troy Davis at DE and Kanneh in the D-backfield; changes are needed - both in some personnel, but also in D coaching smarts. The Argo D is about worst in the league; which goes just fine I guess with a worst in the league offence. Brutal.

[Argo57]

This defensive coaching brain-trust has no excuse for continuing to trot out & start, total non-impact / do nothing defenders like Troy Davis at DE and Kanneh in the D-backfield; changes are needed - both in some personnel, but also in D coaching smarts. The Argo D is about worst in the league; which goes just fine I guess with a worst in the league offence. Brutal.

I’d add TJ Heath to your statement as well.
No pass rush, no coverage ability, soft tackling.
Archer and Quick not up to the job IMO.

[R.J]

I’d add TJ Heath to your statement as well.
No pass rush, no coverage ability, soft tackling.
Archer and Quick not up to the job IMO.

Holy crap! I forgot Quick was back again. Our D being atrocious and zone heavy makes a lot more sense though.

[Argo57]

Holy crap! I forgot Quick was back again. Our D being atrocious and zone heavy makes a lot more sense though.

Casey Creehan where are you?😛

[R.J]

Casey Creehan where are you?😛

Creehan is almost as bad IMO.

[Argo57]

Creehan is almost as bad IMO.

Creehan was brutal as a DC, remember Cortez ripping him many times on the sidelines in Hamilton (2012).

[macspectrum]

Try removing the franchise in the countries largest market and see how negotiations go for the next TV deal.
Not so simple.

my zeal to move the argos was just me venting ....
i am so tired of sub par teams
whatever happened to building a dynasty ? in which visiting teams werent comfortable playing argos