Duron Carter

[Argo]

I think Trestman is all in with McLeod John Baltazar Bethel-Thompson.

That seems what "reading the tea leaves" leads one to suspect.

[paulwoods13]

Here's another possibility. Trestman wants to settle on a starting QB for the rest of the season before activating Carter.

If MBT plays like he did against Montreal and we lose again, there are good reasons to believe that Trestman will go back to Franklin for the return match at BMO. Both QBs will have started 4 games, Franklin would be 1-3 and MBT 2-2, but MBT would have had the benefit of a) weaker opponents and b) better receivers. It would only be fair to give Franklin the same benefits before making the final decision in the bye week before the Sasky game.

I don't think fairness comes into play. Trestman does not have any history of switching QBs. I think he went against his own instincts in giving Franklin first crack at replacing Ricky. I don't see MBT being sat any time soon no matter how he plays. But I also expect him to keep playing well enough to warrant keeping the job.

[AngeloV]

If MBT plays like he did against Montreal and we lose again, there are good reasons to believe that Trestman will go back to Franklin for the return match at BMO.

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

[AngeloV]

I sure hope the Argos move Alford to Coombs spot while he is out, and shift Noel or Williams outside. That spot requires someone that can make something happen after the ball is in their hands.

let's see how things are in week 16

I fail to see how your response had anything to do with my original post.

[macspectrum]

I fail to see how your response had anything to do with my original post.

by week 16 prognostication should see if your 'moves' bear fruit
i still think NOT playing carter for 2 weeks is a mistake
alford/noel/williams are not close comparisons to carter

[jerrym]

Chris Carter comments on his son and Marc Trestman:

Trestman one of the smartest coach I ever meet. I don't know if DC will be a better player after being coached by Marc, like me, but I know he'll be a better person after this experience like I was #CFL https://t.co/adYGL7wXUm

— Cris Carter (@criscarter80) August 29, 2018

[macspectrum]

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

1st series , argos are 1st and goal from 5, to settle for fg
macbeth should have done scored a td [run short yardage offence ww/ franklin for 3 down would have scored td]
if memory serves argos were 1st and goal from 10 and again settled for fg
macbeth did not have a great game
als only scored 25 pts

[macspectrum]

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

scoring 22 pts ia not great vs mtl
macbeth didn't play great

[Rich]

I don't think fairness comes into play. Trestman does not have any history of switching QBs. I think he went against his own instincts in giving Franklin first crack at replacing Ricky. I don't see MBT being sat any time soon no matter how he plays. But I also expect him to keep playing well enough to warrant keeping the job.

If MBT was already the undisputed starter coach would have said so. We are still in the process of determining the starting QB of this football team. It's all about results. Franklin didn't do well so coach says MBT earned the chance, but he needs to deliver results too. You think two losses is not enough to pull him, would three be? Four?

[Rich]

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

No he didn't play poorly, he wasn't that bad at all. That one drive he looked fabulous, crisp passing and good decisions, I thought he was finally putting it all together. But for the rest of the game he was just OK, showing no real improvement from his previous starts. You say he is "head and shoulders" better than Franklin but i don't see it that way, and I wonder if the coaching staff honestly doesn't either. We had five 2-and-outs against Montreal and only threw two passes longer than 20 yards, and as Davis Sanchez said, that's not going to cut it in the CFL. Another performance like that against Hamilton, and we lose the game, will rightly raise some serious questions. On the other hand, I think a big performance by MBT on Monday, and a win, would probably lock in his starter status.

[paulwoods13]

If MBT was already the undisputed starter coach would have said so. We are still in the process of determining the starting QB of this football team. It's all about results. Franklin didn't do well so coach says MBT earned the chance, but he needs to deliver results too. You think two losses is not enough to pull him, would three be? Four?

If you put a loss entirely on the qb, then one loss is enough to pull him. I think you are indulging in wishful thinking, Rich. I dont see MBT being sat unless he plays way worse than his current level, which imo is well above the level Franklin played at.

I also don't see Trestman ever saying MBT (or anyone other than Ricky) is the undisputed starter. That's done only for veterans like Ricky who have unquestionably earned the status, not for young players who are still developing.

[RB957]

If MBT was already the undisputed starter coach would have said so. We are still in the process of determining the starting QB of this football team. It's all about results. Franklin didn't do well so coach says MBT earned the chance, but he needs to deliver results too. You think two losses is not enough to pull him, would three be? Four?

If you put a loss entirely on the qb, then one loss is enough to pull him. I think you are indulging in wishful thinking, Rich. I dont see MBT being sat unless he plays way worse than his current level, which imo is well above the level Franklin played at.

I also don't see Trestman ever saying MBT (or anyone other than Ricky) is the undisputed starter. That's done only for veterans like Ricky who have unquestionably earned the status, not for young players who are still developing.

At this stage of the season, my feeling is that barring injury MBT stays in - win or lose - as long as he personally is playing well, or perhaps more correctly not losing the team games. I don't believe Trestman relishes constant upheaval and uncertainty, especially at such a crucial position, and especially that we are entering the second half of the season where the team has to make a big push. He is definitely not a Chris Jones type coach who will insert and remove QB's at will. As to whether MBT or Franklin is the better choice as long term solution, I still feel that remains to be seen, and will be up for debate for some time.

[AngeloV]

scoring 22 pts ia not great vs mtl
macbeth didn't play great

I'll be sure and take your response and review it further. Maybe even respond to the same post again.

[macspectrum]

I'll be sure and take your response and review it further. Maybe even respond to the same post again.

i'm all verklempt ..... lol

[ArgoRavi]

The Rough Riders sent us Emmanuel Tolbert which bolstered the Argo drive for the Grey Cup in 81. Long time ago, but I believe he lined up immediately. Not just trades, but NFL cuts come back and start right away all the time. Arland Bruce came back from the NFL in 04 after being cut by the 49'ers and started in the Labour Day game.

Also I recall when Mookie Mitchell came back from out West for his 2nd tour, he got inserted asap.

It's not like it can't be done, and done with success, it's just that Trestman is loyal to the roster that he's chosen and has toiled in this uniform since day 1. It's certainly is not a usual tactic, but how can you argue with the coaches ability to both win and to get the respect of his teams?

Tolbert joined the Argos in the fall of 1982 and did not play until the Grey Cup game. Regardless, offences and defences are far more complex today than they were even back in 2004. Carter himself said the other day that he isn't ready to play yet.

[ArgoRavi]

Unfortunately, I believe he is spending his days in a prison cell present tense as a sex offender.

I believe Tolbert has been out of prison for several years now. He had a son while he was in Toronto - I think during his second stint in the late 1980s - who played at York and was eligible for the CFL draft a few years ago.

[Argo57]

Tolbert joined the Argos in the fall of 1982 and did not play until the Grey Cup game. Regardless, offences and defences are far more complex today than they were even back in 2004. Carter himself said the other day that he isn't ready to play yet.

Although Tolbert was very effective for the Argos I always felt bad for Scott McGhee was was replaced by Tolbert after playing the majority of the 1982 season at WR.

[gilthethrill]

Although Tolbert was very effective for the Argos I always felt bad for Scott McGhee was was replaced by Tolbert after playing the majority of the 1982 season at WR.

McGhee became a solid target for Jim Kelly for Houston of the USFL.

[Argo57]

McGhee became a solid target for Jim Kelly for Houston of the USFL.

I’m sure his familiarity with Mouse Davis’s Run and Shoot offence helped him.

[1971GreyCup]

McGhee became a solid target for Jim Kelly for Houston of the USFL.

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Jim Kelly is another QB that Marc Trestman worked with at the University of Miami.