Labour day rematch Game Thread

**jerrym** · 09-07-2018, 07:21 PM

📋: Here’s how we’ll lineup tomorrow afternoon 🆚 Toronto.

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**OV Argo** · 09-07-2018, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by lazycro

Carter or Biewald sit?

Edit:

Nvm, Biewald is a NAT so I assume that won't matter

Love to see Biewald actually get a shot to play some DE; not like the starters are doing anything at all, so why not give some back-ups some playing time to see if they can upgrade (and is Finley injured or what - he could help with reps at both DT & DE IMO) ?; but this DC is clueless it seems. Conventional wisdom says a D-backfield needs time to play together to gel and get each other's backs - but this Argo D-backfield has seen movement all over the place, and guys seem lost at times. Woodson could get a start too, but wrong passport there; and woulda liked to see that Washington in starting from the start of the season after his really fine ex. game work.

**jerrym** · 09-08-2018, 01:19 AM

BC's win over Ottawa makes an Argo victory even more important as BC is another team now in play for the crossover.

**smokeslet'sgo** · 09-08-2018, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

No chance it will be 50/50. The idea that ticats fans have EVER outnumbered Argo fans in Toronto is an urban legend.

They usually bring in 4 or 5 thousand to BMO, surprisingly it's never as much as it was at the Dome despite the easier access on the Lakeshore West line. They're usually mostly gathered behind their bench and a few are scattered throughout but they'll tell you it's 98% Hamilton fans and there are like 26 Argo fans at the game. They're quite deluded. It seems like more because the yellow stands out more and they're generally more obnoxious while the Argo fans are generally just trying to enjoy the game. Bob McCown said on the Fan 590 there'd be more Hamilton fans than Argo fans but Bob is a bit of a moron

**Rich** · 09-08-2018, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by jerrym

BC's win over Ottawa makes an Argo victory even more important as BC is another team now in play for the crossover.

Screw the crossover, a win would mean first place is in sight.

**ArgoRavi** · 09-08-2018, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Rich

Screw the crossover, a win would mean first place is in sight.

Absolutely! The Argos can move within two games of first place with a win.

**Argo** · 09-08-2018, 08:40 AM

The season on the line. 'Nuff said.

**paulwoods13** · 09-08-2018, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

Conventional wisdom says a D-backfield needs time to play together to gel and get each other's backs - but this Argo D-backfield has seen movement all over the place, and guys seem lost at times. Woodson could get a start too, but wrong passport there; and woulda liked to see that Washington in starting from the start of the season after his really fine ex. game work.

1. Since when do you, of all people, buy into conventional wisdom? :-) Last year Chamblin moved guys around the secondary constantly, and it didn't seem to prevent them from gelling.

2. It's hard to tell watching on TV, but it sure looked to me last week like Woodson was at CB for virtually every defensive snap. The guy who did not seem to be on the field much, if at all, was Dowling who had been listed as a starter on the depth chart. Will be interested to see if Woodson starts again this week.

**Jon Gonzo** · 09-08-2018, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Argo

The season on the line. 'Nuff said.

Absolutely it is. This game will tell me everything I need to know about the 2018 Toronto Argonauts. Win, and get set for a push. Lose, and start to shape & re-shape for 2019; where I'd expect to see 2 new Co-Ordinator's in place.

**Jon Gonzo** · 09-08-2018, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

1. Since when do you, of all people, buy into conventional wisdom? :-) Last year Chamblin moved guys around the secondary constantly, and it didn't seem to prevent them from gelling.

2. It's hard to tell watching on TV, but it sure looked to me last week like Woodson was at CB for virtually every defensive snap. The guy who did not seem to be on the field much, if at all, was Dowling who had been listed as a starter on the depth chart. Will be interested to see if Woodson starts again this week.

I'd like to see the team fish or cut bait with guys like Woodson. If he is not a future starter, then this team needs to find some Canadian Backfield guys who have that potential. I'd say the future ratio balance would be greatly improved by this possibility. LT is another potential ratio changer, but Ryan Hunter won't be around for a while now. I'd like to see Woodson get some starts. Especially if they lose again to the Ticats.

**R.J** · 09-08-2018, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo

Absolutely it is. This game will tell me everything I need to know about the 2018 Toronto Argonauts. Win, and get set for a push. Lose, and start to shape & re-shape for 2019; where I'd expect to see 2 new Co-Ordinator's in place.

I hope you're not talking about Condell being one of the two.

**Jon Gonzo** · 09-08-2018, 10:28 AM

I am, and I expect he'll be back in the Receiver Position next season should this team not get rolling. I believe AC is getting groomed, and Ricky will get added under him as QB Coach. No inside info, just intuition really.

**R.J** · 09-08-2018, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo

I am, and I expect he'll be back in the Receiver Position next season should this team not get rolling. I believe AC is getting groomed, and Ricky will get added under him as QB Coach. No inside info, just intuition really.

Laughable to think Condell is to blame for the offence IMO - It's not his offence nor is he calling the plays. Calvillo becoming the Offensive Coordinator is even more laughable IMO - did you see how he ran Montreal's offence ?

If any of this actually occurs I hope Trestman gets the boot.

**Jon Gonzo** · 09-08-2018, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by R.J

Laughable to think Condell is to blame for the offence IMO - It's not his offence nor is he calling the plays. Calvillo becoming the Offensive Coordinator is even more laughable IMO - did you see how he ran Montreal's offence ?

If any of this actually occurs I hope Trestman gets the boot.

That's a lot of laughing. Never said I endorsed anything about that scenario, it is just intuition, and I think many would laugh right back with the notion of firing Trestman. You'd find a low percentage of support in that wish. But I do believe that you've got to laugh in life. Essential.

**jerrym** · 09-08-2018, 01:23 PM

Argos are stopping the run so far but the Cats are open on every passing play and in too many situations the pass coverage has totally broken down, resulting in their opening TD. If this does not change quickly, this could get very ugly.

**jerrym** · 09-08-2018, 01:30 PM

I agree with Milt Stegall, if you're going to use Carter, use him throughout the game; don't insert him here and there. Also, when they put him in after 8:30 minutes, they go to him in the end zone, which the Tigers Cats were probably waiting for on his first play.

**Bleeds Double Blue** · 09-08-2018, 01:52 PM

This Argo defense is disappointing to be polite.

**jerrym** · 09-08-2018, 02:03 PM

The second Tigercat TD was the result of the totally ineffective Argo rush giving Masoli tons of time to find a receiver. Meanwhile Lemon has had 5 sacks in his last four games with the Lions.