Argonauts Officially Eliminated

**Neely2005** · 10-06-2018, 10:16 PM

With Hamilton having the tie breaker and Edmonton & BC having a game remaining against each other we're eliminated.

From Grey Cup Champions last season to missing the playoffs this season.

Lots of blame to go around and some reasons:

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/10/04/nye-st...s-2018-season/

**ArgoGabe22** · 10-06-2018, 10:33 PM

Still renewing my seats for next season!

**Argo57** · 10-06-2018, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

Still renewing my seats for next season!

For sure, can’t bail on your team when the going gets a little tough.

**Neely2005** · 10-07-2018, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Argo57

For sure, can’t bail on your team when the going gets a little tough.

Will renew too but things are more than a little tough. This organization needs to make winning seasons (a winning record) a regular occurrence. The last time we had back to back winning seasons was 2006 & 2007!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...onauts_seasons

**Argo57** · 10-07-2018, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

Will renew too but things are more than a little tough. This organization needs to make winning seasons (a winning record) a regular occurrence. The last time we had back to back winning seasons was 2006 & 2007!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...onauts_seasons

I’m trying to be positive Neely, a major retool is in order but there are still some good pieces in place to build around.

**Joe Barnes** · 10-07-2018, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

Still renewing my seats for next season!

Me too! And looking forward to seeing the Ticat game this Friday...

**RB957** · 10-07-2018, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

Still renewing my seats for next season!

Originally Posted by Joe Barnes

Me too! And looking forward to seeing the Ticat game this Friday...

Absolutely. Will never abandon the Argos. It's something like my marriage. I am in for the long haul!

**Bleeds Double Blue** · 10-07-2018, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Barnes

Me too! And looking forward to seeing the Ticat game this Friday...

Time to play spoiler. Missing the playoffs after a Grey Cup win is a bitter pill to swallow but being swept by Hamilton? No effing way.

**AngeloV** · 10-07-2018, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

Still renewing my seats for next season!

Originally Posted by Joe Barnes

Me too! And looking forward to seeing the Ticat game this Friday...

Originally Posted by RB957

Absolutely. Will never abandon the Argos. It's something like my marriage. I am in for the long haul!

I'm with you. I love going to games no matter what the scenario is.

**Argo** · 10-06-2018, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

With Hamilton having the tie breaker and Edmonton & BC having a game remaining against each other we're eliminated.

From Grey Cup Champions last season to missing the playoffs this season.

Lots of blame to go around and some reasons:

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/10/04/nye-st...s-2018-season/

The ship has run aground with alacrity. Good. Next season starts now. But, please, not the same old same old. I'd like to see the organization get more than $6,000 in value from its $600,000 investment.

**Mightygoose** · 10-07-2018, 08:10 AM

Coincidentaly TFC got mathematically eliminated yesterday too. Also in a loss to a Vancouver based team.

The grass will be well rested at BMO this fall.

**Joe Barnes** · 10-07-2018, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mightygoose

Coincidentaly TFC got mathematically eliminated yesterday too. Also in a loss to a Vancouver based team.

The grass will be well rested at BMO this fall.

I had the same thought...lets hope it recovers because it's been a horrible field this season for both teams. Of course TFC will be using it again come February, so all bets are off!

**lazycro** · 10-07-2018, 03:14 PM

It's like Trestman wanted us to be eliminated and then put Franklin in after he thought the game was out of reach

**Argo** · 10-07-2018, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by lazycro

It's like Trestman wanted us to be eliminated and then put Franklin in after he thought the game was out of reach

He sounded disingenuous - because, I assume, he didn't believe it himself - in his pre-game interview when saying "We're both fighting for a playoff spot".

**jerrym** · 10-07-2018, 04:14 PM

I'm not saying we would have made the playoffs; however, if Trestman had allowed Franklin to become the starter several games ago after it became clear that BMT could not throw long passes with any accuracy, we might still be in the hunt. I also agree that major personnel changes need to occur to be competitive next year.

**RB957** · 10-08-2018, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by jerrym

I'm not saying we would have made the playoffs; however, if Trestman had allowed Franklin to become the starter several games ago after it became clear that BMT could not throw long passes with any accuracy, we might still be in the hunt. I also agree that major personnel changes need to occur to be competitive next year.

I suppose you could argue this either way.... but where would we have been had Franklin been allowed to stay in as QB as opposed to having been pulled. Let's face it, had Pfeffer not missed a field goal, we could have won the game in Edmonton. I understand that after losing three games in a row that early in the season, a QB change is expected. I am not saying MBT cost us any games himself, however once it started to show that teams were figuring him out, and he was treading water, if not regressing, then the change back to Franklin should have taken place sooner. It's all moot now, but if he is the QB of our future, Franklin would have gained immeasurable experience playing through difficulties and adversity.

**ArgoRavi** · 10-08-2018, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by RB957

I suppose you could argue this either way.... but where would we have been had Franklin been allowed to stay in as QB as opposed to having been pulled. Let's face it, had Pfeffer not missed a field goal, we could have won the game in Edmonton. I understand that after losing three games in a row that early in the season, a QB change is expected. I am not saying MBT cost us any games himself, however once it started to show that teams were figuring him out, and he was treading water, if not regressing, then the change back to Franklin should have taken place sooner. It's all moot now, but if he is the QB of our future, Franklin would have gained immeasurable experience playing through difficulties and adversity.

I get what you are saying but, to play devil's advocate, with MBT as starter, Medeiros missed a game-tying FG in Montreal and a game-winner against Saskatchewan. I truly believe that the past six games would have unfolded very differently if the Argos had not lost that game in Montreal. That killed any momentum that they had built up with wins in the previous two games.

**AngeloV** · 10-09-2018, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

I get what you are saying but, to play devil's advocate, with MBT as starter, Medeiros missed a game-tying FG in Montreal and a game-winner against Saskatchewan. I truly believe that the past six games would have unfolded very differently if the Argos had not lost that game in Montreal. That killed any momentum that they had built up with wins in the previous two games.

The missed FG in Montreal was not on Medeiros. It was the beyond stupid play call of throwing a screen pass on the previous play which turned the attempt from a 46 yarder into a 54 yarder. You should never EXPECT your kicker to make a 54 yard FG. You hope for the best, but that is not one you should be counting on.

**Rich** · 10-09-2018, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by RB957

I suppose you could argue this either way.... but where would we have been had Franklin been allowed to stay in as QB as opposed to having been pulled. Let's face it, had Pfeffer not missed a field goal, we could have won the game in Edmonton. I understand that after losing three games in a row that early in the season, a QB change is expected. I am not saying MBT cost us any games himself, however once it started to show that teams were figuring him out, and he was treading water, if not regressing, then the change back to Franklin should have taken place sooner. It's all moot now, but if he is the QB of our future, Franklin would have gained immeasurable experience playing through difficulties and adversity.

If Franklin develops into a top CFL QB -- and I think he will, and i think it will be with the Argonauts -- then history will view Trestman's MBT experiment as being one of the worst personnel blunders since Wally started Dickenson instead of Printers in the 2004 Cup. We'll never know for sure if it cost us the season (I think it did, but that's just me), but as you say we do know for sure that it unnecessarily slowed Franklin's CFL development.

But i'm not ready to deep-six The Professor quite yet. A lot of things out of his control went wrong this year, and he also made a lot of mistakes, including his bizarre decision not to play any starters in the pre-season. But I still admire the guy, and if he can commit to building an offence around James Franklin then I'm all in. We'll finally know for sure whether Trestman likes working with mobile QBs or not.