Argo Fan No-Shows?

[Will]

That may be the general thought, but I don't think so. There is no way that 14k were at the game Saturday.

I agree with Angelo, it simply did not pass the eye test.

[shayman]

Where are you getting the 8000 figure from?

Just an educated estimate. It looked to me like each side was about 40% full, and 8000 is more or less 40% of capacity.

(I took a picture of each side during the 3rd quarter, posted earlier in this thread. Take a look, tell me what you think.)

[Slack10]

Thanks! I was looking for the attendance and could not find it!

[Godfather]

So if the argos average 14K in tickets scanned but there are and additional 2-3K no show ticket sales (let's say) then the argos fan support could be stronger than what people think and they are probably not losing as much money as many would have thought. Would you guys agree with this?

[doubleblue]

That 8,000 guesstimate doesn't sound right to me. I was thinking at least 12,000. People stand around the end and there is always people coming and going out in the concourse area. Can't just go by one picture. The only thing we know for sure, it wasn't a 18,000 sell out.

[Ron]

But - 8K showing up looks terrible on TV and sends the message that this event is not very interesting, when even people who paid for tickets couldn't be bothered to come.

That's an old wives tale IMO. Past ownership wanted it to look good on TV and what we got was owners bailing after a few years of ticket buying failures

[doubleblue]

Hi all, do the argos have a lot of fan no-shows at games? For last week's ticats game the announced attendance was 14,100 but a Toronto Sun article stated that 18,000 tickets were sold. A look on ticketmaster did show only about 1000 tickets left. I tried to get seats in section 119 at the box office and they were sold out at game time and only one seat was available in sec 120. But I did notice empty seats in these sections when I was at the game.

I have heard that argos only report tickets scanned. So if this is true maybe the argos poor fan support is not as bad as it seems. I recall reading somewhere that argos revenue has gone up at BMO (sorry no source).

Do you guys have any insights?

Maybe Bob Young bought 4,000 tickets to help the Argos out.

[jerrym]

Thanks! I was looking for the attendance and could not find it!

Welcome on board the leaky ship Argo. Good to see someone joining when the ship is taking on water.

[Shatto]

All this confusion could be avoided if management just published both scanned tickets (bums in seats) and actual number of tickets sold.

[doubleblue]

All this confusion could be avoided if management just published both scanned tickets (bums in seats) and actual number of tickets sold.

I like that, but don't know if they would really want to do it. Might be a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation.

[AngeloV]

All this confusion could be avoided if management just published both scanned tickets (bums in seats) and actual number of tickets sold.

Do any teams actually do that? At the end of the day, is it really important? That's the business side of things. Personally, I don't care about that stuff. Just something else for people to whine about I guess.

[ArgoRavi]

Do any teams actually do that? At the end of the day, is it really important? That's the business side of things. Personally, I don't care about that stuff. Just something else for people to whine about I guess.

For the record, Manning told TSN Radio the other day that paid attendance was up something like 1850 per game and he sounded thrilled about that. There was a smaller increase in bums in seats but an increase nonetheless.

[ArgoZ]

Do any teams actually do that? At the end of the day, is it really important? That's the business side of things. Personally, I don't care about that stuff. Just something else for people to whine about I guess.

I agree that it's getting tiresome. I was in a little Twitter war the other day about Argonauts attendance. The fellow harped on how the team isn't viable and should fold, only due to attendance. I kept asking why he cares so much? I told him the team was stable, regardless, and let MLSE worry about it. Somehow, our low crowds still make for a good atmosphere and a fun day at BMO. Let us have our fun, quit complaining people and hopefully MLSE can get 20k there soon enough and everything will be fine.

[smokeslet'sgo]

I agree that it's getting tiresome. I was in a little Twitter war the other day about Argonauts attendance. The fellow harped on how the team isn't viable and should fold, only due to attendance. I kept asking why he cares so much? I told him the team was stable, regardless, and let MLSE worry about it. Somehow, our low crowds still make for a good atmosphere and a fun day at BMO. Let us have our fun, quit complaining people and hopefully MLSE can get 20k there soon enough and everything will be fine.

MLSE will pay Kawhi Leonard 4 times more money than the entire Argos' roster in a season, assuming the Argos are at the cap. Any money MLSE loses on the Argos is like one of us dropping a nickel under the car seat after going through the Tim's drive thru.

Ironically enough, the two teams I have the most fun seeing in the city are the Argos and Toronto Rock, and both play to around half capacity

[Saugonaut]

I had some thoughts about going / not going to the games after the playoffs got taken off the table. I weighed the money option, as in, i paid for these tickets might as well go. But that arguement didn't sway me. What did was, at the end of the day, I get to go watch a football game! Even though the team struggled this year, there were still awesome plays, and fun to be had. Kiss cams, blooper reals, those little 2 minute player bios are all way better than watching crappy commercials. It's a way better experience being there with other fans and cheering and stomping your feet. I'd look mental doing that at home, and my wife would kill me!

That being said, the Go transit situation this season sucked balls!

#isitJuneyet

[AngeloV]

I had some thoughts about going / not going to the games after the playoffs got taken off the table. I weighed the money option, as in, i paid for these tickets might as well go. But that arguement didn't sway me. What did was, at the end of the day, I get to go watch a football game! Even though the team struggled this year, there were still awesome plays, and fun to be had. Kiss cams, blooper reals, those little 2 minute player bios are all way better than watching crappy commercials. It's a way better experience being there with other fans and cheering and stomping your feet. I'd look mental doing that at home, and my wife would kill me!

That being said, the Go transit situation this season sucked balls!

#isitJuneyet

No matter the situation standings wise, I always have a great time at games. For the most part, they were only out of 1 home game this year, and that was the Calgary game. Every other game was within reach in the final quarter (although I have no idea how that was the case against the Bombers).

[AngeloV]

I agree that it's getting tiresome. I was in a little Twitter war the other day about Argonauts attendance. The fellow harped on how the team isn't viable and should fold, only due to attendance. I kept asking why he cares so much? I told him the team was stable, regardless, and let MLSE worry about it. Somehow, our low crowds still make for a good atmosphere and a fun day at BMO. Let us have our fun, quit complaining people and hopefully MLSE can get 20k there soon enough and everything will be fine.

My feelings exactly. The fact is, the league will not let the Argos die, ever.

[Will]

I agree that it's getting tiresome. I was in a little Twitter war the other day about Argonauts attendance. The fellow harped on how the team isn't viable and should fold, only due to attendance. I kept asking why he cares so much? I told him the team was stable, regardless, and let MLSE worry about it. Somehow, our low crowds still make for a good atmosphere and a fun day at BMO. Let us have our fun, quit complaining people and hopefully MLSE can get 20k there soon enough and everything will be fine.

He was pushing the Lamport idea wasn't he? I cannot say for sure, but that's something a lot of the TFC trolls love saying.

[R.J]

That being said, the Go transit situation this season sucked balls!

You can say that again.

[Will]

You can say that again.

That being said, the Go transit situation this season sucked balls!