Argo Fan No-Shows?

**Neely2005** · 10-22-2018, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Shatto

It is all relative. If one has something else on the calendar and it is also of considerable interest, then it is easier to forgo an Argo "nothing" game to attend the other event. Not right or wrong, just an individual decision.

I caught the second half of the Argo game on TV. Exciting finish but it did look like a battle of the incompetents. However, as others have mentioned, there does appear to be some talent on the team and with another year's experience and some needed changes, there is every possibility the team could be competitive next year.

Exactly. Our son had away hockey games on the same day as the last 2 Argonauts home games. It's certainly easier to decide if he should miss his game when the Argonauts game is meaningless in the standings.

**shayman** · 10-22-2018, 03:23 PM

The team says Saturday's attendance was 14,080.
https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/sta...52916273082368

**Mightygoose** · 10-22-2018, 03:49 PM

I wonder if that is a sold and distributed figure.

If that's the official figure then the average this season is 14,211, up from 13,914 last year about 2.1%

https://stats.cfldb.ca/team/toronto-...tendance/2017/

An increase despite no 4 free vouchers per ST, 2 or 19.97 Doug Flutie promo or 15.00 upper east end tickets which we're sold for all games in the second half of the season last year.

It's progress, all I really wanted to see this year.

**Treblecharger1** · 10-22-2018, 04:04 PM

Agreed, It is a shame that they were terrible on the field. But I think if prices are the same renewals should be good. The fan oriented tailgates are going to increase my total seasons from 4 to 6 and maybe as high as 10.

A full off season to push seasons and I think it is feasible for us to increase season tickets to around the 9k mark

**doubleblue** · 10-22-2018, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by shayman

The team says Saturday's attendance was 14,080.
https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/sta...52916273082368

That's about 1,000 - 1,500 more than I was guessing. But I did notice the East side seem to fill up more after the start. Just need to get another 4 - 5,000 die hards to fill it up.

**gilthethrill** · 10-22-2018, 05:34 PM

I have to wonder, does the absence of GO Train service on Saturdays have an effect on attendance?

**shayman** · 10-22-2018, 07:04 PM

We all ought to be a little bit concerned that 14,080 tickets were sold or distributed or whatever, but only about 8,000 people actually went to the game.

**Mightygoose** · 10-22-2018, 07:08 PM

I wouldn't be too concerned about a high number of no shows for a meaningless games.

Even the Friday night last week vs. Hamilton had about 4K no shows which is not uncommon for any team out of it.

If the ST base is 6K then that means 8K extra sold for a dog match up.

**ArgoZ** · 10-22-2018, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by gilthethrill

I have to wonder, does the absence of GO Train service on Saturdays have an effect on attendance?

I know we make excuses every year, but it seemed like the Argos really couldn't catch a break this season. For a sales team that needs every fan possible, they had to endure a poor record, terrible go service, picketers. Even so, attendance was up, so baby steps I guess.

**Joe Barnes** · 10-22-2018, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoZ

I know we make excuses every year, but it seemed like the Argos really couldn't catch a break this season. For a sales team that needs every fan possible, they had to endure a poor record, terrible go service, picketers. Even so, attendance was up, so baby steps I guess.

Agreed. Considering all those factors, especially the poor on-field results, it is amazing that attendance is up, even if only a bit. Baby steps are still steps in the right direction!

**ArgoRavi** · 10-22-2018, 10:36 PM

MLSE was hoping for attendance to be up about 1500 per game IIRC but they almost certainly didn't expect this team to have such a poor season. For attendance to be up at all has to be considered a victory.

**ArgoRavi** · 10-22-2018, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

I'm with you. No matter the situation, I love the entertainment value of being live at the game. I go to every home game, and watch every away game on TV regardless of record. Maybe it's just me, I don't know, but I've read so much talk about what a crappy game it was yesterday. I thought it was very entertaining.

Many had their minds made up before this game that it would be a "bad" game. It really wasn't. There were only four turnovers and not an inordinate number of penalties either. Both offences put up decent numbers and both defences made plays too. It was actually a reasonably well-played game.

**Ron** · 10-23-2018, 12:02 PM

Much better to have 14K paid and 8K show up then the years when only 8K paid and 20K showed up.

**paulwoods13** · 10-23-2018, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ron

Much better to have 14K paid and 8K show up then the years when only 8K paid and 20K showed up.

Good perspective.

**jerrym** · 10-23-2018, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ron

Much better to have 14K paid and 8K show up then the years when only 8K paid and 20K showed up.

While I am not opposed to having a single game in a season where lots of free tickets are given away to possibly attract new fans, ongoing ticket giveaways will never be the solution to the attendance problem.

**shayman** · 10-24-2018, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ron

Much better to have 14K paid and 8K show up then the years when only 8K paid and 20K showed up.

But - 8K showing up looks terrible on TV and sends the message that this event is not very interesting, when even people who paid for tickets couldn't be bothered to come.

**Shatto** · 10-24-2018, 10:59 AM

MLSE has to recognize there is strong competition for peoples' entertainment dollar (and attention). Knowing that the team was out of the playoffs and there would be a possibility that folks, for whatever reason, might decide not to attend, perhaps the organization might have had some special promotion to entice potential fans---kids get in free/STH's given extra tickets to take family members/free tickets to minor football organizations/special draw for those attending for free ST's for next season---and publicize the heck out of the special promotions.

As Shayman has stated, having only 8,000 in attendance looks really poor and sends the wrong message to the public.

**HankSr** · 10-24-2018, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by shayman

But - 8K showing up looks terrible on TV and sends the message that this event is not very interesting, when even people who paid for tickets couldn't be bothered to come.

It has been odd in section 107 the last few games. People who seemed like die hard attendees all year have suddenly disappeared. And the people next to me have gone AWOL as well. A lot of the other seats seems to always have someone different so can't really comment on them. Also noticing more and more people who leave before half time which I always find odd.

**Neely2005** · 10-24-2018, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by shayman

But - 8K showing up looks terrible on TV and sends the message that this event is not very interesting, when even people who paid for tickets couldn't be bothered to come.

Since the move to BMO Field the Argonauts have only announced tickets scanned for the attendance number. Where are you getting the 8000 figure from?