Toronto Argonauts relieve Marc Trestman of head coaching duties

**Will** · 11-03-2018, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Another thing that really can't be overlooked this season is the fact that the Argos did not have even 1 contact day in training camp. That is crazy. How do you evaluate football players based on essentially a touch football training camp? This was by far the worst tacking team I have ever seen.

Naturally it cannot all be placed on what took place in May and June, but the rot of this season seems to have taken root during training camp. For example, I remember after the 2nd pre-season game in Guelph stating that I was not concerned because it was training camp and a "Vanilla" defence was to be expected. The issue, of course, was that they never got out of that "Vanilla" scheme.

**dmont** · 11-03-2018, 11:52 AM

I think Popp deserves to go more than Trestman. Popp had a lousy off season (TJ heath and Ronnie Yell), had a horrible draft, didnt acquire enough decent talent to compensate for in-season injuries, sent Lemon packing without a replacement, and pushed the Duron Carter fiasco.

Keeping Popp and losing Trestman is the worst possible scenario. Remember Montreal? Watch Popp provided middling-to-decent coaches with mediocre players, get impatient and start meddling, fire the coaches mid-season, and take over on the sidelines. This will be ugly.

Popp should have been fired for sure. Trestman.... I dont know, I was conflicted... but i was leaning toward keep. Have you ever seen a guy unite players so well under a team-first philosophy? Even this season, nobody was complaining. He needed better players and better coordinators.

Anyways, i am not happy that Popp is sticking around.

I hope Calvillos gone too. I have nothing against him, i just think hes cursed.

**AngeloV** · 11-03-2018, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by dmont

I hope Calvillos gone too. I have nothing against him, i just think hes cursed.

Who do you think brought Calvillo on board? Trestman picks his coaching staff. He did a lousy job of it IMO.

**Mightygoose** · 11-03-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by R.J

http://3downnation.com/2018/11/03/se...marc-trestman/

Another thing worth noting:

Admittedly, I'm about concerned about that, especially considering the lengths Popp went to in order to get Higgins fired in Montreal. Popp also needs to wear some of the stink from this season IMO.

Agree with this line of thinking.

At the same time I don't think MLSE will give Popp as long as a leash as he had in Montreal.

Ownership has been pretty hands off (publicly) their teams as of late and let the ones they hire do their jobs.

Manning has been very hands off footballs ops until this past week as well so looking forward to their presser at 12:30.

Comparing this to the 2016 disaster season, it's refreshing to me that action is swift compared to that off season.

**Will** · 11-03-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by dmont

I think Popp deserves to go more than Trestman. Popp had a lousy off season (TJ heath and Ronnie Yell), had a horrible draft, didnt acquire enough decent talent to compensate for in-season injuries, sent Lemon packing without a replacement, and pushed the Duron Carter fiasco.

Keeping Popp and losing Trestman is the worst possible scenario. Remember Montreal? Watch Popp provided middling-to-decent coaches with mediocre players, get impatient and start meddling, fire the coaches mid-season, and take over on the sidelines. This will be ugly.

Popp should have been fired for sure. Trestman.... I dont know, I was conflicted... but i was leaning toward keep. Have you ever seen a guy unite players so well under a team-first philosophy? Even this season, nobody was complaining. He needed better players and better coordinators.

Anyways, i am not happy that Popp is sticking around.

I hope Calvillos gone too. I have nothing against him, i just think hes cursed.

Once again, I do not trust Manning to make a hire vis-a-vis the General Manager position.

**R.J** · 11-03-2018, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mightygoose

Agree with this line of thinking.

At the same time I don't think MLSE will give Popp as long as a leash as he had in Montreal.

Ownership has been pretty hands off (publicly) their teams as of late and let the ones they hire do their jobs.

Manning has been very hands off footballs ops until this past week as well so looking forward to their presser at 12:30.

Comparing this to the 2016 disaster season, it's refreshing to me that action is swift compared to that off season.

Manning isn't the dithering fool Copeland was.

**argotom** · 11-03-2018, 12:27 PM

The timing is surprising.
Maybe we have underestimated the concern of the ownership group.
I would not be surprised if the next shoe to drop is Popp, especially if he is responsible for this move in order to try to protect his position?

**R.J** · 11-03-2018, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by argotom

I would not be surprised if the next shoe to drop is Popp, especially if he is responsible for this move in order to try to protect his position?

Popp's been known to do so, which admittedly is concerning. But, Popp's got another year in his contract; shitting the bed can't be an option next season.

**argotom** · 11-03-2018, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by R.J

Popp's been known to do so, which admittedly is concerning. But, Popp's got another year in his contract; shitting the bed can't be an option next season.

Agreed,
But, Trestman also had a year to go on his $600k contract?

**R.J** · 11-03-2018, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by argotom

Agreed,
But, Trestman also had a year to go on his $600k contract?

I know, my point was it's pretty clear Popp is safe for next year, but he's only got one more year on his deal - might be a short leash.

**R.J** · 11-03-2018, 12:38 PM

**Bleeds Double Blue** · 11-03-2018, 12:58 PM

Dammit. I just missed all but the last 2 minutes of the Manning - Popp press conference.

**1971GreyCup** · 11-03-2018, 01:01 PM

I watched it live on YouTube. Should be still there.

**Skinny G** · 11-03-2018, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by R.J

We don't need that type of attitude on this team... at some point, the talent isn't worth the trouble. I'd rather go after Posey if that's at all possible in the off season.

**Bleeds Double Blue** · 11-03-2018, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by R.J

I would have thought/hoped that an announcement of dc_chillin_8's release would have come before the Marc Trestman firing. I was quite excited at his signing now can't wait to see the back of him.

**paulwoods13** · 11-03-2018, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by SkalbaniasGhost

The CFL has a supposed protocol in place but in typical CFL fashion it is not adhered to by anyone.The protocol was implemented by Mike Lysko but Popp/Wetenhall upstaged him in 2001 with the Don Mathews hiring during Grey Cup Week.It was the beginning of the end for Lysko and shows how ungovernable this league truly is.

I thought that situation involved the Als making the Matthews announcement when they were not supposed to. That protocol, I thought, was to prevent announcements about coaching changes when the postseason was under way, because such announcements would distract fans from focusing on the playoffs. I want to know if there is also a protocol allowing teams to approach and negotiate with assistant coaches from other teams that are still active, as the NFL has.

**BATKINSON001** · 11-03-2018, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bleeds Double Blue

Dammit. I just missed all but the last 2 minutes of the Manning - Popp press conference.

its on youtube in full.

**ArgoGabe22** · 11-03-2018, 02:40 PM

I don’t disagree with the firing (4 wins) but I don’t like Manning taking Carter’s side on this. Carter is known to be a trouble maker and I can see Trestman not wanting him here. Seeing Carter’s effort sometimes made me extremely frustrated. I don’t think Trestman can be blamed for mismanaging Carter, even though many wanted him starting immediately. I will take Trestman’s side on the Carter situation. That missed block vs Montreal was pathetic. I’m sure there more issues regarding Carter that we will never know. A coach can’t allow for these players to get a way with it.

**R.J** · 11-03-2018, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22

I don’t disagree with the firing (4 wins) but I don’t like Manning taking Carter’s side on this. Carter is known to be a trouble maker and I can see Trestman not wanting him here. Seeing Carter’s effort sometimes made me extremely frustrated. I don’t think Trestman can be blamed for mismanaging Carter, even though many wanted him starting immediately. I will take Trestman’s side on the Carter situation. That missed block vs Montreal was pathetic. I’m sure there more issues regarding Carter that we will never know. A coach can’t allow for these players to get a way with it.

I don't think Manning was taking Carter's side necessarily, more so that he along with Popp didn't like how it was handled. It should also be noted that Trestman wasn't playing nice with MLSE's plan to reinvigorate the Argo Brand in Toronto, and it was being discussed up top, all the way to the MLSE Executives including Friisdahl from what I've heard.