CFL, CFLPA could lower the number of Canadian starters: sources

[Neely2005]

WAR ERUPTS OVER CFL CANADIAN RATIO DECREASE:

http://www.rodpedersen.com/2019/03/w...ratio.html?m=1

[Neely2005]

You ‘Merican #CFL guys kill me...Talkin’ bout they so much better than CDN’s/shouldn’t be a ratio LMFAO. Y’all REALLY think CDN citizens gonna come out to watch a league full of #NFL rejects without any local Canadian boys? 🤣 sheeeeit...league would fold in 3 yrs ya big dummies

— Ricky Foley (@Foley4Real) March 18, 2019

[Stevoman]

Well, this all blew up quickly! The comment that had me shake my head the most was Duron Carter calling out Ricky Foley and asking what exactly Foley had done in this league!

I fully acknowledge that the CFL needs American talent in order to make this league work but it also needs Canadian depth at all levels (players, coaches, management, etc.).

The Americans that come to the CFL that have been humbled and embrace not only the CFL, but the country itself, are the one's that help make the CFL so special (not the ones that are only trying to get back to the NFL). When you combine that kind of attitude from an American player with homegrown, Canadian players, then you have the making for a very unique brand of football and a very special league.

[Neely2005]

Well, this all blew up quickly! The comment that had me shake my head the most was Duron Carter calling out Ricky Foley and asking what exactly Foley had done in this league!

I fully acknowledge that the CFL needs American talent in order to make this league work but it also needs Canadian depth at all levels (players, coaches, management, etc.).

The Americans that come to the CFL that have been humbled and embrace not only the CFL, but the country itself, are the one's that help make the CFL so special (not the ones that are only trying to get back to the NFL). When you combine that kind of attitude from an American player with homegrown, Canadian players, then you have the making for a very unique brand of football and a very special league.

Yeah Carter has been busy on Twitter in regards to this issue.

And how good were you??? I not about to hop in a silly ass argument... bra I been on the same field as you  they was wasn’t coming to see you either!!! Like, come on guy https://t.co/xGwPBx5IVC

— Duron Carter (@DC_CHILLIN_8) March 18, 2019

Quiet frankly I could careless... I’m talking about when both played in the same field... who were teams more afraid of 😂😂😂🤷🏾*♂️ https://t.co/8ncXTeT3Cc

— Duron Carter (@DC_CHILLIN_8) March 18, 2019

[argonaut11xx]

Duron Carter is close to being human gutterfilth IMO. That said here is my thought on the ratio (as posted elsewhere)

If the commish wants to "build" his CFL 2.0

This would be my thought.

ADD 2 Practice roster spots for global players.

Keep the min CDN starters at 7

However, IF a global player does get a start, give the team the OPTION to start that player as a CDN, or INT.

Then in 5 or so years, see how the experiment has progressed, if at all. Revisit the ratio at that point (next CBA)

[R.J]

You ‘Merican #CFL guys kill me...Talkin’ bout they so much better than CDN’s/shouldn’t be a ratio LMFAO. Y’all REALLY think CDN citizens gonna come out to watch a league full of #NFL rejects without any local Canadian boys? 🤣 sheeeeit...league would fold in 3 yrs ya big dummies

— Ricky Foley (@Foley4Real) March 18, 2019

I give Foley credit for seeing both sides of the coin though.

weren’t you an nfl reject too? Stop it. Cfl isnt even a Canadians first choice league. I don’t care about ratio whatsoever. Have as many Canadians as you want but if he is a backing me up at my position. No way he should be making more than me. Period. No other league does that.

— Anthony Orange (@AJJefferson) March 18, 2019

Tottally agree...CDN backup can’t be making $100-150k and starting vet American making 60k. That’s a problem

— Ricky Foley (@Foley4Real) March 18, 2019

[Argo57]

Love Carter questioning Foley’s credentials as a player, chirps before he thinks, glad he found a home elsewhere.

[argonaut11xx]

Love Carter questioning Foley’s credentials as a player, chirps before he thinks, glad he found a home elsewhere.

He is deep deep in his backpack. In a fog. Such a waste of talent.

21 days to break a habit Duron.


If this loser Duron is still with the Lions, I'll make it a point to show up in an Argo's Ricky Foley jersey to each and every game, and heckle the loser pothead.

[R.J]

Love Carter questioning Foley’s credentials as a player, chirps before he thinks, glad he found a home elsewhere.

Yeah, bad move on Carter's part. And IMO, what makes it even worse is Foley was one of the more vocal Canadian's who wanted to increase the rookie American pay, and get American's better benefits. SMH

Foley also brought up that he didn't play much at the tail end of his career, while hinting that his passport was the reason he was able to stick around for so long. Again, kudos to him admitting it (without completely admitting it), and for understanding where some of the American's are coming from.

[argonaut11xx]

Duron is a drug addict, why bother to argue until is mind is clear.

Loser pothead stoner.

[AngeloV]

Duron is a drug addict, why bother to argue until is mind is clear.

Loser pothead stoner.

Get serious. Pot smokers are not drug addicts. Heavy drinking is a thousand times worse than smoking pot, and this is coming from me, who has never smoked in my life. I can tell you, I like pot smokers a lot more than drunk ass fools.

[Shatto]

The number of U Sport players now being signed by NFL teams is often used as an argument to reduce the Canadian ratio. If one has attended live U Sport football games, you notice that not only have the top players improved but the overall quality, training. preparation, depth and coaching has improved greatly from 20 or 30 years ago. Players are now expected to train with the team 12 months of the year. The depth of talent on U Sport football teams is much improved and if you add the increased number of Canadian players coming from the NCAA, there really is no reason to reduce the Canadian ratio.

Perhaps we need a Canadian ratio for coaches and GM's----OK a joke but not by far

[OV Argo]

The number of U Sport players now being signed by NFL teams is often used as an argument to reduce the Canadian ratio. If one has attended live U Sport football games, you notice that not only have the top players improved but the overall quality, training. preparation, depth and coaching has improved greatly from 20 or 30 years ago. Players are now expected to train with the team 12 months of the year. The depth of talent on U Sport football teams is much improved and if you add the increased number of Canadian players coming from the NCAA, there really is no reason to reduce the Canadian ratio.

Perhaps we need a Canadian ratio for coaches and GM's----OK a joke but not by far

You'd expect a CFL team ownership group to show some guts or respect for Canadian football talent or Canadian football decision making and the integrity of the game & league? = yes, a joke. ;o) Teddy Morris reincarnate ?

[argolio]

The number of U Sport players now being signed by NFL teams is often used as an argument to reduce the Canadian ratio. If one has attended live U Sport football games, you notice that not only have the top players improved but the overall quality, training. preparation, depth and coaching has improved greatly from 20 or 30 years ago. Players are now expected to train with the team 12 months of the year. The depth of talent on U Sport football teams is much improved and if you add the increased number of Canadian players coming from the NCAA, there really is no reason to reduce the Canadian ratio.

Perhaps we need a Canadian ratio for coaches and GM's----OK a joke but not by far

These days most serious athletes train all year.

I don't see how depth of talent in U Sports can be higher today when far fewer high schools are playing football in most parts of the country. Much better NCAA access for Canadian players might actually be harming the CFL because those players also have better access to the NFL. It definitely hurts depth of talent in U Sports.

(rant on)
For me the ratio issue is tied directly to the development of college football on both sides of the border. Down south, college football has grown and monetized itself to such a degree that it can go head-to-head with any other sports entity, even the NFL. That all started in 1984 when Oklahoma and Georgia sued the NCAA and won the right to negotiate their own TV contracts. The NCAA wanted things to stay the same (similar to U Sports), but today the big conferences control major college football. The top NCAA division has grown from about 85 schools to over 120, and many of those new schools didn't sponsor football in the 80s.

Meanwhile in Canada, U Sports has continually rejected any kind of scholarship system, has little interest in promoting itself, and has done nothing to try and grow to the game. It has been a consistent 50-year policy of de-emphasizing football. Just look at the results -- a whole three nationally televised games in November, for which they probably get paid peanuts. By comparison, curling (curling!) is booming, and has had a gazillion hours of coverage in the last month. Curling pursued a policy of growth, and succeeded to the point of getting the sport into the Olympics. And I actually like curling.

I'm in favour of the ratio remaining as it is, but if U Sports continues to bury its head in the sand, then nobody should be surprised that the ratio has gone from 12 to 7 Canadian starters since the 60s, and may get reduced again.
(/rant over)

[R.J]

These days most serious athletes train all year.

I don't see how depth of talent in U Sports can be higher today when far fewer high schools are playing football in most parts of the country. Much better NCAA access for Canadian players might actually be harming the CFL because those players also have better access to the NFL. It definitely hurts depth of talent in U Sports.

(rant on)
For me the ratio issue is tied directly to the development of college football on both sides of the border. Down south, college football has grown and monetized itself to such a degree that it can go head-to-head with any other sports entity, even the NFL. That all started in 1984 when Oklahoma and Georgia sued the NCAA and won the right to negotiate their own TV contracts. The NCAA wanted things to stay the same (similar to U Sports), but today the big conferences control major college football. The top NCAA division has grown from about 85 schools to over 120, and many of those new schools didn't sponsor football in the 80s.

Meanwhile in Canada, U Sports has continually rejected any kind of scholarship system, has little interest in promoting itself, and has done nothing to try and grow to the game. It has been a consistent 50-year policy of de-emphasizing football. Just look at the results -- a whole three nationally televised games in November, for which they probably get paid peanuts. By comparison, curling (curling!) is booming, and has had a gazillion hours of coverage in the last month. Curling pursued a policy of growth, and succeeded to the point of getting the sport into the Olympics. And I actually like curling.

I'm in favour of the ratio remaining as it is, but if U Sports continues to bury its head in the sand, then nobody should be surprised that the ratio has gone from 12 to 7 Canadian starters since the 60s, and may get reduced again.
(/rant over)

Part of the problem IMO is that in Canada, Universities care little about their sports, as it's the Student part of Student Athlete that concerns them the most. I suppose that's a good thing, but it's also revenue limiting and ensures that teachers and faculty horde the money (which is a major problem IMO). I'll leave it at that since this is a thread about the ratio.

[Wobbler]

Get serious. Pot smokers are not drug addicts. Heavy drinking is a thousand times worse than smoking pot, and this is coming from me, who has never smoked in my life. I can tell you, I like pot smokers a lot more than drunk ass fools.

Carter may be a fool, but I agree: cannabis has nothing to do with it.

[Argo57]

Foley clearly articulated an understanding of both sides while at the same time putting up with no sh*t, good on him.

[paulwoods13]

So this never happened after all. What a shocker.

[OV Argo]

So this never happened after all. What a shocker.

So, what - you believe the BOGs & GOBs went to bat for Canadian talent getting a chance to play in the pro league in their own country ? LOL !!!

The CFL has consistently moved to be more & more Americans first in past roster changes; the league is run by mostly Americans and they favor their guys - players and coaches.

The recent reduce the ratio stuff as part of CBA talk was IMO a trial balloon of sorts - gets some discussion going and there were quite a few fans who were totally against further Americanization of the CFL, but also plenty all for Americans only getting to play; and guaranteed the majority of reporters who cover the CFL will be like little sheep swallowing what the GOBs & BOGs tell them about lack of Canadian talent - oh woe the "ratio problem" for the poor little GOBs - and this will get bleated repeatedly, to prepare a lot of fans to accept their need for less Canadians in the CFL.

A 10 team out East will be further ammunition for the BOG/GOB club to howl about lack of Canadian talent to stock 10 teams, and next time a change is made - it will be for more American players and less Canadians in the CFL - book it.

[paulwoods13]

OV, you are welcome to your usual rhetoric -- always find a way to get there, it seems. I was merely pointing out that the reduction to five starting NATs, seemingly accepted as fact by virtually everyone on this and other fan forums despite the implausibility of such a major change being agreed to between the parties at the outset of bargaining, did not happen, just as I expected it wouldn't.