Touchdown Atlantic: Argos versus Als August 25th

**Neely2005** · 08-25-2019, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

And he put the ball where he had to for the win and Edwards couldn’t hang on, not the QB’s fault on that one sorry.

Not sure where you're getting that from? Did I say that drive was his fault?

**paulwoods13** · 08-25-2019, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Will

While it is unfortunate that Wilder's time in Toronto might have to come to an end, I can least understand it.

I do believe that giving up on Franklin now would be a mistake, but then again to carry forward what Paul said about MBT last week -- he hasn't played himself out of a job yet.

Last week he was neither good enough to win the job nor bad enough to lose it. Today he was good enough to win it, IMO.

**Will** · 08-25-2019, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Again, MBT completed 36 of 47 passes (better than 75%) for 464 yards (basically 10 yards per pass). Of his 11 incompletions, at least four were catchable balls dropped by the receiver, including one that would have won the game after MBT moved us the length of the field in a minute, without a time out and with too many plays that stayed in bounds. He made decisive reads and consistently found the correct receiver, even when under a rush and forced to roll. His long ball accuracy remains questionable, but even without accurate long passes he went off for 464 yards. To pin the blame on him for our failure to get into the end zone ignores a lot of other factors. He was the least of our problems today.

McLeod Bethel-Thompson in his last 3 starts is 92-122 for 1,007 yards with 7 touchdowns and 0 interceptions.

**Argo57** · 08-25-2019, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Again, MBT completed 36 of 47 passes (better than 75%) for 464 yards (basically 10 yards per pass). Of his 11 incompletions, at least four were catchable balls dropped by the receiver, including one that would have won the game after MBT moved us the length of the field in a minute, without a time out and with too many plays that stayed in bounds. He made decisive reads and consistently found the correct receiver, even when under a rush and forced to roll. His long ball accuracy remains questionable, but even without accurate long passes he went off for 464 yards. To pin the blame on him for our failure to get into the end zone ignores a lot of other factors. He was the least of our problems today.

Yeah but all that aside he still sucked today didn’t he?😛

**paulwoods13** · 08-25-2019, 03:47 PM

We got our best pass rush of the season today. Thomas and Coleman look like a real load inside. Robbie Smith has great potential but makes rookie mistakes, like jumping offside and taking too wide a rush angle at times, but he's a keeper.

Our offensive line could not block the blitz, period. J Campbell kept turning inside and leaving a clear path to the QB.

**ArgoZ** · 08-25-2019, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

And he put the ball where he had to for the win and Edwards couldn’t hang on, not the QB’s fault on that one sorry.

I’m not so sure. Catchable ball, sure. If he throws that a foot further and not at Edwards back shoulder, the defender has no chance to put pressure on Edwards. We lost because of other reasons but that throw wasn’t perfect.

Originally Posted by Will

While it is unfortunate that Wilder's time in Toronto might have to come to an end, I can least understand it.

I do believe that giving up on Franklin now would be a mistake, but then again to carry forward what Paul said about MBT last week -- he hasn't played himself out of a job yet.

We know what MBT is though. The season is done. If the coaches believe they can run the table and hope Montreal loses, then we are in a dream world. Have to see what Franklin is, because at this point he’s been a total disappointment. Of course, only if he’s on the team next week and that’s not a guarantee.

**paulwoods13** · 08-25-2019, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoZ

I’m not so sure. Catchable ball, sure. If he throws that a foot further and not at Edwards back shoulder, the defender has no chance to put pressure on Edwards. We lost because of other reasons but that throw wasn’t perfect.

Not perfect, no, but completely catchable. As was Rainey's drop on that drive, and early drops by Green and Walker.

**Argo57** · 08-25-2019, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoZ

I’m not so sure. Catchable ball, sure. If he throws that a foot further and not at Edwards back shoulder, the defender has no chance to put pressure on Edwards. We lost because of other reasons but that throw wasn’t perfect.

We know what MBT is though. The season is done. If the coaches believe they can run the table and hope Montreal loses, then we are in a dream world. Have to see what Franklin is, because at this point he’s been a total disappointment. Of course, only if he’s on the team next week and that’s not a guarantee.

Not perfect but highly a highly catchable ball for a professional receiver.

**Argo57** · 08-25-2019, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

Not sure where you're getting that from? Did I say that drive was his fault?

You conveniently choose to highlight MBT’s mistakes to make your narrative that he sucks but crickets when he does his part such as he did in the last drive when he drove them down the field for a potential win, but hey don’t let the facts get in the way of a good lynching.
Like I said earlier I’m critical of him when I feel it is justified but today certainly isn’t one of those days.

**Bleeds Double Blue** · 08-25-2019, 04:03 PM

In a bigger picture scenario, instead of arguing the quarterback direction going forward I think the question is who will be making those decisions? Chamblin is clearly in over his head and I wonder how secure jim Popp feels about his position.

**Neely2005** · 08-25-2019, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

You conveniently choose to highlight MBT’s mistakes to make your narrative that he sucks but crickets when he does his part such as he did in the last drive when he drove them down the field for a potential win, but hey don’t let the facts get in the way of a good lynching.
Like I said earlier I’m critical of him when I feel it is justified but today certainly isn’t one of those days.

Great, don't try to make it out that I've said something that I did not,

To often MBT can't compete drives. He's not a CFL Starter.

**Neely2005** · 08-25-2019, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bleeds Double Blue

In a bigger picture scenario, instead of arguing the quarterback direction going forward I think the question is who will be making those decisions? Chamblin is clearly in over his head and I wonder how secure jim Popp feels about his position.

They both need to go. Right now it looks like we're going to finish with an even worse record than last season.

**ArgoZ** · 08-25-2019, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Not perfect, no, but completely catchable. As was Rainey's drop on that drive, and early drops by Green and Walker.

I understand there were other drops, but with the game on the line, if he throws it to his leading shoulder, Argos win.

Originally Posted by Argo57

Not perfect but highly a highly catchable ball for a professional receiver.

Catchable, but not highly catchable. The defender is allowed to make a play on the ball. Throw it with a little more accuracy equals a TD.

**Argo57** · 08-25-2019, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

Great, don't try to make it out that I've said something that I did not,

To often MBT can't compete drives. He's not a CFL Starter.

There you’ve done it again, “MBT can’t complete drives” a generalization which insinuates that this is all on him.
Just like I guess he couldn’t “complete the last drive” which I’m sure was also 100% his fault.👍

**ArgoZ** · 08-25-2019, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

There you’ve done it again, “MBT can’t complete drives” a generalization which insinuates that this is all on him.
Just like I guess he couldn’t “complete the last drive” which I’m sure was also 100% his fault.

I think if you guys can meet in the middle, you’ll both be right.

**Argo57** · 08-25-2019, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by ArgoZ

I think if you guys can meet in the middle, you’ll both be right.

You and I need to negotiate highly catchable and catchable, that ball was very catchable.
I’ll have my lawyer draw up our agreement👍

**timlb01** · 08-25-2019, 05:07 PM

Am I missing something? Teams get 2 timeouts per game and only one timeout can be used in the last 3 minutes of the half. Did we not use our final timeout? I know we lost a time out with that stupid no yards challenge.

**paulwoods13** · 08-25-2019, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by timlb01

Am I missing something? Teams get 2 timeouts per game and only one timeout can be used in the last 3 minutes of the half. Did we not use our final timeout? I know we lost a time out with that stupid no yards challenge.

We lost one (because of the challenge) and we used the one we had left.

**Neely2005** · 08-25-2019, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by timlb01

Am I missing something? Teams get 2 timeouts per game and only one timeout can be used in the last 3 minutes of the half. Did we not use our final timeout? I know we lost a time out with that stupid no yards challenge.

I was wondering that myself. Rod Black Said that we didn't have any timouts left and I thought that we should still have 1.