Popp/Chamblin Staying or Going?

[doubleblue]

Popp is done at the end of the season. But do you trust him with the trade deadline coming up?
A new GM can make the decision on Chamblin, but it seems the HC role is beyond his skillset.
And Franklin plays like he doesn't give a sh**!
This team is a complete embarrassment!

Maybe one of the reasons Pinball was brought in by Manning to review any trades etc. I wouldn't mind seeing Franklin and Bethel-Thompson peddled for a middle round draft pick. But not let any of the young talent traded away. However, any of the older guys that are coming up to their FA, let them be a rental for a neg list or draft pick if there's a deal out there. Players like Holmes, Green, Edwards, Kanneh come to mind.

[R.J]

CLean out the football operations at seasons end, right some wrongs, and I'd have zero issue if Manning stays on as Team President.

[argotom]

Since the Pinball has been very visible the last few weeks and there have been rumours, he would be my President.
Bring back Eric Tillman from the prospective Halifax team as that is rumoured and then have either O'Shea or Lapolice as the head coach.
Either would be fine with me.
The team should make every effort to go after Masoli as a FA at year end.

[Blue90]

Let's just change the coach and GM combination every year. Let's see how much that improves things.

I think that now you have seen the light.

Chamblin is the worst head coach that I have ever seen and I am sure that you now agree. The team has completely quit, and that shouldn't be surprising. This guy has no business being a head coach, I wouldn't hire him to coach a high school football team.

[Shatto]

So how bad is this team and the organization behind it? Arguably, it could be the most incompetent Argo team ever. Not only losing but losing big time. Suitor on the telecast stated it was the worst first quarter he has ever seen played by a pro team---and it didn't get much better in the rest of the game. Last year was bad but this year looks far worse and that is hard to say, considering the team only won 4 games last year.

The team had fewer than ten thousand in attendance last game --an all time low for decades and decades. How many for the next game --fewer than eight thousand? After being a season ticket holder forever, I have to ask, is it worth battling the traffic, paying $25 to park and to sit and watch this disaster? Apparently many others are asking themselves the same question. According to Frank Z, many are already indicating they won't renew next year.

We could talk about marketing except I'm not aware there is any. The one thing getting positive media vibes last year was the tailgating. But, the new management, in their wisdom (or lack of) cancelled it. Yes, there is still unofficial tailgating but the team can't market it so it can't be used to attract potential fans.

The classless way Trestman was fired by a 2am phone call, as they returned from a game, kind of sums up the way this team has been managed. One intuitively knows this is not the way a person like Clemons would have handled the situation. My first year university Business 101 class , studied cases where organizations went bankrupt through mismanagement. The recent debacle of Argo mismanagement would have been an excellent case study.

In spite of it all, I'll continue to attend and cheer for the team, even if it is in a half empty stadium. But, changes and dramatic changes, are needed from top to bottom. Popp apparently is at the end of his contract so that should be no problem when replacing him. With Chamblin the team might run into a cap problem but somehow or other he has to be replaced. Perhaps offer O'Shea both HC/GM position --or some other creative way of addressing the cap. A clean sweep, including a good number of the players is desperately needed.

[lazycro]

Lol.... who made this?

http://chng.it/fgGsB9SHmN

[doubleblue]

Lol.... who made this?

http://chng.it/fgGsB9SHmN

Looks like most of these petitions are started by loonie toons. I'd like to start about a dozen petitions, but then I would be a loonie toon. I think I heard some remarks out there....lol and I resemble that.
PS. I only sign Argo petitions that use the Boat Logo.

[Will]

I am thinking back to 2000 when the Argos fired Huard. One could argue that they were close to a player and fan mutiny so the Argos were choiceless in that department. In 2019, the fans have had enough of Chamblin (for the most part), however it isn't quite 100% clear whether that applies to the players. Rod Pedersen speculates that Chamblin's players love him, but that he simply doesn't have the horses to compete. I would've agreed with that part up until a few weeks ago, but after two blowout losses against Regina and Vancouver I'm not so sure.

In 2000, the Argos hired Pinball as head coach and while that team failed to make the playoffs (the year afterward too) it did play well down the stretch, and perhaps restored a bit of good faith among the fanbase. I don't know if the 2019 edition will get that same opportunity, but even so you have to consider some factors such as whether or not a new coach would've got this core to perform any better than they have. In 2000, you know the horses were there on defence, and there is also the consideration that if Chamblin has indeed not lost the room then letting fans dictate personnel moves is wrong.

He should still go of course.

[Argo57]

I am thinking back to 2000 when the Argos fired Huard. One could argue that they were close to a player and fan mutiny so the Argos were choiceless in that department. In 2019, the fans have had enough of Chamblin (for the most part), however it isn't quite 100% clear whether that applies to the players. Rod Pedersen speculates that Chamblin's players love him, but that he simply doesn't have the horses to compete. I would've agreed with that part up until a few weeks ago, but after two blowout losses against Regina and Vancouver I'm not so sure.

In 2000, the Argos hired Pinball as head coach and while that team failed to make the playoffs (the year afterward too) it did play well down the stretch, and perhaps restored a bit of good faith among the fanbase. I don't know if the 2019 edition will get that same opportunity, but even so you have to consider some factors such as whether or not a new coach would've got this core to perform any better than they have. In 2000, you know the horses were there on defence, and there is also the consideration that if Chamblin has indeed not lost the room then letting fans dictate personnel moves is wrong.

He should still go of course.

The roster is thin on talent in a few positions, O-Line, Defensive Secondary and as it turns out QB which was not addressed by Popp and the football ops staff going back to last season a major fail on their part.
Now in regards to the coaching staff this team has more often than not been ill prepared this season which fall squarely on them.
Corey Chamblin’s in game decisions have been baffling to say the least and I suspect the players have lost faith in him and his staff as the season has gone on.
Body language speaks volumes and quite often this team looks beaten very early in games including this past Saturday when both the players and coaching staff appeared to have mailed it in which is inexcusable.
IMO making any change now is pointless as this season is officially lost.
In the wake of dwindling attendance numbers and worst of all fan apathy ownership must act swiftly and decisively at the conclusion of the season to change this teams culture heading into 2020. (Good luck recruiting high end talent and or free agents if things don’t change)!!

[ArgoGabe22]

Here’s a thought. I don’t think Pinball was brought in recently to help with coaching, I’m starting to think Manning might be grooming him as his own successor. A role Pinball once had but was more unofficial and he called the job itself, being the teams #1 fan.

[ArgoGabe22]

So Dan Ralph reports that there is a rumour that Pinball will be President, Tillman will be GM and Khari Jones a front runner for head coach.

[Stevoman]

So Dan Ralph reports that there is a rumour that Pinball will President, Tillman will be GM and Khari Jones a feint rinner for head coach.

The BC Lions stadium announcer just might end up being right!

[Neely2005]

So Dan Ralph reports that there is a rumour that Pinball will President, Tillman will be GM and Khari Jones a feint rinner for head coach.

CFL News on Twitter: "Clemons has helped Toronto win Grey Cups as a player and coach but has no experience as a GM. That role would reportedly be assumed by Eric Tillman, a CFL champion with B.C. (1994), the Argos (1997) and Saskatchewan (2007). - @danral…

https://mobile.twitter.com/CFL_News/...93333702316032

[argos1873]

Chamblin's players love him,

Maybe that's so but why? Everyone loves a boss that goes easy on them. And sometimes a good boss goes easy on people at the right time. I have a feeling Chamblin goes easy on people whenever. "Yeah, he's a great guy, I fu$ked up, and he didn't even blow a gasket at me...great guy!"....I don't know. But I know he's not a good head coach. If it wasn't confirmed in Sask, its confirmed now.

[gilthethrill]

So Dan Ralph reports that there is a rumour that Pinball will be President, Tillman will be GM and Khari Jones a front runner for head coach.

I don't see Khari leaving Montreal. As for Tillman as GM, no way this team goes that route....no way.

[argofan81]

Press conference called for by the Argos today at 11am with a major announcement. Hopefully the pendulum will finally drop and a message sent that what we have had to witness as of late is not acceptable.

[Neely2005]

Popp fired:

http://www.tsn.ca/1.1378143

[ArgoGabe22]

Argos haven’t quit on their coach? Enough to bring him back? Not saying that is what I am suggesting but will management not be so quick to clean house?

[Argo57]

Argos haven’t quit on their coach? Enough to bring him back? Not saying that is what I am suggesting but will management not be so quick to clean house?

Simply trying to impress for jobs next season, hopefully sweeping changes for next season.

[Shatto]

I'd be surprised if Chamblin is back next year.