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    I’m less concerned about adding a new president with a football background. I think MLSE will keep Manning in place, but it’s imperative they hire a new GM and a VP of football Operations. Then they need to hire a new HC. I see no way Popp is resigned for next year. Maybe he’ll get the phone call right after the last game.

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    Let's just change the coach and GM combination every year. Let's see how much that improves things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Let's just change the coach and GM combination every year. Let's see how much that improves things.
    Yes, you can argue that Chamblin doesn't have the personnel, but I don't see how you can excuse the mind-boggling in-game decisions. It's happened more than once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Yes, you can argue that Chamblin doesn't have the personnel, but I don't see how you can excuse the mind-boggling in-game decisions. It's happened more than once.
    I agree, and I was very vocal about it. Having said that, (and I know he made some strange calls on 3rd down last game), he has been much better overall in the 2nd third of the season where the team easily could have (should have?) been 4-2 in as opposed to the 2-4 record they had. The first third was a disaster, no doubt about it. Sometimes teams need to learn how to win. I want to see how he finishes the season before even debating if the team really needs to change coach and/or GM. Starting over every year to me is not the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I agree, and I was very vocal about it. Having said that, (and I know he made some strange calls on 3rd down last game), he has been much better overall in the 2nd third of the season where the team easily could have (should have?) been 4-2 in as opposed to the 2-4 record they had. The first third was a disaster, no doubt about it. Sometimes teams need to learn how to win. I want to see how he finishes the season before even debating if the team really needs to change coach and/or GM. Starting over every year to me is not the way to go.
    I think AV and I share the same brain. I don't think this team is that far away but I also think that much of the problem at this point is that they haven't learned how to win ... yet.
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    Mind boggling that some actually think it's a good idea to keep Chamblin and Popp around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Let's just change the coach and GM combination every year. Let's see how much that improves things.
    This is a tough one Angelo, I understand your sentiment but attendance numbers are dropping and apathy seems to be setting in so keeping the status quo may be a difficult sell to this fan base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Let's just change the coach and GM combination every year. Let's see how much that improves things.
    How has the coaching done this year? Any positive things you have seen in the team this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I agree, and I was very vocal about it. Having said that, (and I know he made some strange calls on 3rd down last game), he has been much better overall in the 2nd third of the season where the team easily could have (should have?) been 4-2 in as opposed to the 2-4 record they had. The first third was a disaster, no doubt about it. Sometimes teams need to learn how to win. I want to see how he finishes the season before even debating if the team really needs to change coach and/or GM. Starting over every year to me is not the way to go.
    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    There are other options beyond firing the GM and HC, like changing up assistant coaches, getting a FT DC to ensure the HC is not spread too thin, etc. I felt earlier this year that the entire coaching staff was unlikely to return, but I'm far less sure about that now. I think Chamblin (and Popp, for that matter) are more likely to be back than be jettisoned.
    You guys are way to positive, nice and patient. Chamblin is over his head. We see it every week. There’s no way he’s back in any competent franchise. I don’t think he’s improved at all. I foresee more bonehead calls to finish the season. This franchise can’t afford this. Popp on an interim basis would be better, he’s on the sidelines anyway (another issue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoZ View Post
    You guys are way to positive, nice and patient. Chamblin is over his head. We see it every week. There’s no way he’s back in any competent franchise. I don’t think he’s improved at all. I foresee more bonehead calls to finish the season. This franchise can’t afford this. Popp on an interim basis would be better, he’s on the sidelines anyway (another issue).
    For the record, my comment -- There are other options beyond firing the GM and HC, like changing up assistant coaches, getting a FT DC to ensure the HC is not spread too thin, etc. I felt earlier this year that the entire coaching staff was unlikely to return, but I'm far less sure about that now. I think Chamblin (and Popp, for that matter) are more likely to be back than be jettisoned. -- was not an opinion about what should happen, it was a statement about what could happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    Let's just change the coach and GM combination every year. Let's see how much that improves things.
    I think that now you have seen the light.

    Chamblin is the worst head coach that I have ever seen and I am sure that you now agree. The team has completely quit, and that shouldn't be surprising. This guy has no business being a head coach, I wouldn't hire him to coach a high school football team.

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    There are other options beyond firing the GM and HC, like changing up assistant coaches, getting a FT DC to ensure the HC is not spread too thin, etc. I felt earlier this year that the entire coaching staff was unlikely to return, but I'm far less sure about that now. I think Chamblin (and Popp, for that matter) are more likely to be back than be jettisoned.
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    It's also worth noting (again) that Bill Manning spent four years working in the front office of the Philadelphia Eagles. (Not that football experience matters a great deal at the CEO level, IMO.) Manning has also worked for the NBA's Houston Rockets and for two MLS teams including TFC. He has close to two decades' experience in professional sports mgmt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    It's also worth noting (again) that Bill Manning spent four years working in the front office of the Philadelphia Eagles. (Not that football experience matters a great deal at the CEO level, IMO.) Manning has also worked for the NBA's Houston Rockets and for two MLS teams including TFC. He has close to two decades' experience in professional sports mgmt.
    In defence of Manning, is it not a lot to ask a guy to be President of 2 sport franchises? Could that not lead to burnout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilthethrill View Post
    In defence of Manning, is it not a lot to ask a guy to be President of 2 sport franchises? Could that not lead to burnout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilthethrill View Post
    In defence of Manning, is it not a lot to ask a guy to be President of 2 sport franchises? Could that not lead to burnout?
    Burnout is possible in any number of positions; some individuals have more capacity than others. I doubt Manning has significantly greater workload or feels significantly greater pressure than the presidents of the Leafs or Raptors do.
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    The team deserves a president who is fully committed to the sole priority of making the Argos a success. Though not everyone agrees , it would be a huge advantage the have a knowledgeable and experienced CFL individual , devoted to and evaluated on, only one thing ---the success of the Argos.

    Though the CEO does not get involved in everyday football decisions, it is the CEO who selects the people who do make those decisions. The role of a CEO includes setting the vision for the organization and most importantly selecting the right people to make that vision a reality. If Manning does have a vision for the team, it certainly has not been communicated to the media or fans. If either or both of Chamblin and Popp are replaced, hopefully a new and more CFL experienced president will make the decision.

    The success of any organizations starts at the top ---that is why the person at the top gets the big bucks. Manning has to take responsibility for the team's lack of success not only on the field but also at the gate. The team deserves more than a part time CEO, especially one with very limited background in our game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shatto View Post
    The team deserves a president who is fully committed to the sole priority of making the Argos a success. Though not everyone agrees , it would be a huge advantage the have a knowledgeable and experienced CFL individual , devoted to and evaluated on, only one thing ---the success of the Argos.

    Though the CEO does not get involved in everyday football decisions, it is the CEO who selects the people who do make those decisions. The role of a CEO includes setting the vision for the organization and most importantly selecting the right people to make that vision a reality. If Manning does have a vision for the team, it certainly has not been communicated to the media or fans. If either or both of Chamblin and Popp are replaced, hopefully a new and more CFL experienced president will make the decision.

    The success of any organizations starts at the top ---that is why the person at the top gets the big bucks. Manning has to take responsibility for the team's lack of success not only on the field but also at the gate. The team deserves more than a part time CEO, especially one with very limited background in our game.
    There would be no downside to having a full-time CEO, but there's no reason to believe MLSE is going to appoint one. The Argos and TFC are much smaller entities within MLSE than the Leafs and Raptors, and in the Argos' case at least (and very likely TFC's as well) are money-losing entities. From a purely business standpoint I can see why MLSE would decide to split the roles. Maybe this will change at some point, but I don't expect that to happen in the foreseeable future. As long as the two teams share a CEO, it's not realistic to expect one who does not have a background in one of the two sports. Manning has worked (before MLSE) in both soccer and football, so it's not surprising that he is the CEO charged with shared responsibility for both the Argos and TFC.
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    I don't think it is just semantics, when I prefer the concept of there being a potential huge upside in having a new CEO. Fully agree that MLSE is unlikely to appoint one, however.

    The blame for the present untenable situation falls more on MLSE than Manning. After all, it was their decision to appoint a president with little knowledge and/or understanding of the CFL. It was their decision to appoint a part time Argo CEO, rather than one fully and solely committed to making the Argos a success. Manning is hardly to blame for MLSE's poor decision.

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    Am I missing something, but the Argos organizational chart vs. Ticats organizational chart is startling thin. And the Argos President is part time?

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