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    Yeah, I'm sure the Argos have no ticket sales staff.
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    Certainly don’t have several Presidents, CEOs, a Chairman etc.

    I don’t know of any outgoing ticket sales initiatives. By the way Ottawa Redblacks have more brand ambassadors that Toronto has football operations staff.

    Didn’t OTTAWA and Hamilton sellouts games this year?? Curious.

    Mind you things are hunky dory in Toronto so no criticism is warranted. 8,900 fans last game?

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    I’ve been to a few RedBlacks games in Ottawa and some Ticats games on Hamilton. I can’t get the Ticats/RedBlacks pesky ticket department people to stop calling me. I cannot remember the last time I got a call from the Argos. I tried to book a BMO suite and no one got back to me. 臘*♂️臘*♂️
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Mind you things are hunky dory in Toronto so no criticism is warranted. 8,900 fans last game?
    Why is it that if there isn't unanimous agreement with criticism of the organization, sarcastic comments like this invariably get made?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Certainly don’t have several Presidents, CEOs, a Chairman etc.

    I don’t know of any outgoing ticket sales initiatives. By the way Ottawa Redblacks have more brand ambassadors that Toronto has football operations staff.

    Didn’t OTTAWA and Hamilton sellouts games this year?? Curious.

    Mind you things are hunky dory in Toronto so no criticism is warranted. 8,900 fans last game?
    9800, Not 8900.

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    I guess I am not in the camp that accepts the status quo. I put one and one together and get two. The Argos invested little in the brand while kept on life support by David Braley. Now that MLSE has taken over they seem to be downsizing. Can you blame anyone for the frustration as the fans attendance hits unimaginable levels. Not so long ago this was a highly respected brand.

    It seems that both Ottawa and Hamilton have invested in their brands. I think the results speak for themselves.

    Am I wrong here?

    Perhaps Calgary is a better example, given that they are owned by the holding company that owns the Flames. I can look at their corporate structure and see if the Stamps have brought in-house all their operations staff.

    When I hear that the Argos are disappointed with results from on field and on the stands, I ask what initiatives specifically were undertaken and what investments were made that didn’t work out. I think these are fair questions.

    Bill Manning has an impressive CV. There isn’t anyone between him and Jim Popp to execute his vision? He has half of his attention span. Maybe only 25% given the investment and importance of TFC to MLSE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neely2005 View Post
    9800, Not 8900.
    Wasn’t 5,000 bandied about at one time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Wasn’t 5,000 bandied about at one time?
    Only by Trolls. Anyone who was at the game knows that's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    Now that MLSE has taken over they seem to be downsizing.
    Or maybe they are assigning MLSE staff to service all five of their brands. There is no doubt that is happening on the ticket side, and presumably it's also happening in finance, HR and other front-office/admin functions. From a corporate perspective why wouldn't they do that? The only areas that truly need to be team-specific are football/hockey/basketball/soccer ops and comms, IMO. In Hamilton, the Ticats are by far the biggest revenue-generator of the two sports team brands, so it's no wonder the Ticats have a big front office. Same with Ottawa (if the soccer team there is in fact owned by OSEG -- I'm just presuming that to be the case). In Toronto, Argos are likely the fourth-largest revenue generator among the MLSE brands, and exponentially below the top two.
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    Not sure if this fits Into the discussion or not but under the previous regime I'd get 4 to 6 calls from my "personal rep" just before and during the season. Sometimes it was to notify me of a special promotion and sometimes just to keep in touch. As a result of that personal contact I upgraded our seats. Additionally, I would normally order a dozen or more individual tickets each year for family ad friends.

    Now, I receive no calls and whether it is a result of that absence of contact or not, I have only purchased one extra ticket this year. Maybe it is unfair to say but I have the impression (rightly or wrongly) the organization doesn't care about me as much as they did previously. My impression may be completely wrong but as a colleague was want to say, "perception is reality to the perceiving individual"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neely2005 View Post
    Around the 3 Minute Mark:

    https://post.futurimedia.com/chumam/...9329467.670505

    Sounds like Popp is gone but Chamblin is staying?
    Hard to say. I lean more to many new assistants because most of them probably have 1 year contracts. It wouldn't be a big deal for MLSE to eat Chamblin's last two years if there wasn't a cap on the Management side. But Trestman is still owed another year as well. I can't see Pinball wanting to take as GM or Coach as he has another interests on going. He is a great salesman and could probably get a few more ST's sold. An exciting winning QB would have more of an impact IMO. Look what Vernon Adams is doing in Montreal. However, I don't see someone like that on the current Argo team.
    Damen Allen seems to be around every game watching and glad handing fans. Maybe just the Team trying to add some former star power but I did read once that he would be interested in the Management side of things but not Coaching. Hmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    Hard to say. I lean more to many new assistants because most of them probably have 1 year contracts. It wouldn't be a big deal for MLSE to eat Chamblin's last two years if there wasn't a cap on the Management side. But Trestman is still owed another year as well. I can't see Pinball wanting to take as GM or Coach as he has another interests on going. He is a great salesman and could probably get a few more ST's sold. An exciting winning QB would have more of an impact IMO. Look what Vernon Adams is doing in Montreal. However, I don't see someone like that on the current Argo team.
    Damen Allen seems to be around every game watching and glad handing fans. Maybe just the Team trying to add some former star power but I did read once that he would be interested in the Management side of things but not Coaching. Hmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    Trestman signed a 3 year deal before the 2017 season, he has been paid out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971GreyCup View Post
    And by the way I could care less for comparisons with the other MLSE properties. And I thought David Braley was cheap!

    Bravo to the new corporate Argo owners and the skillful way they are marketing the team; last game attendance such a proud thing - maintain the status quo and things are bound to get better. ;o)

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    According to Dave Naylor on his "insider" interview last night, Mike Clemons is going to become more involved with the Argos again next season.
    So the speculation begins. I can't see the position being more than someone to work with Bill Manning over seeing the Football side of things and being the face of the Argos again.
    Something positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I agree, and I was very vocal about it. Having said that, (and I know he made some strange calls on 3rd down last game), he has been much better overall in the 2nd third of the season where the team easily could have (should have?) been 4-2 in as opposed to the 2-4 record they had. The first third was a disaster, no doubt about it. Sometimes teams need to learn how to win. I want to see how he finishes the season before even debating if the team really needs to change coach and/or GM. Starting over every year to me is not the way to go.
    I think AV and I share the same brain. I don't think this team is that far away but I also think that much of the problem at this point is that they haven't learned how to win ... yet.
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    Mind boggling that some actually think it's a good idea to keep Chamblin and Popp around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post
    Mind boggling that some actually think it's a good idea to keep Chamblin and Popp around.

    LOL - but there are always going to be defenders of the faith who dare not question anything the Argo braintrust (sic) does; maybe Jimbo and Scotty should still be in charge.

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    The tam is both boring and incompetent. Can't coach or GM being retained.

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