The Argos and the 2020 CFL Scouting Bureau Report

[jerrym]

The first 2020 CFL Scouting Bureau report is out. The Argos may have first overall pick and more than likely a top three pick so who teams rank most highly could be of special interest to Argo fans. Of course there is always the questions of how good the rankings actually are, of how much they will change over time, and how good teams' own analyses are in making picks, but this report gives some first impressions of who is standing out at the beginning of the college season.
Interestingly there are two QBs on the list: Nathan Rourke at #3 of Ohio and Adam Sinagra of Calgary at # 18.
While I do think the Argos need to get add to their OL, I would also love to see them go for one of these QBs at some point in the draft in the CFL's never-ending search for the next Canadian starting QB.
What do you think?

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/12/gallim...reau-rankings/

[dmont]

I havent been impressed with Popps two drafts. Hes definitely neglected the O-line. That has to be priority #1.

We still dont have that game-changing Canadian reciever. I had high hopes for Noel, but he cant seem to break out of his role as a bit-player. Jimmy Ralph is a regular starter but not a game changer. SJ isnt going to be around forever and it would be great to fill his shoes with a non-import.

I'd like to see us draft a good kicker who can handle punts as well. I'm not sure if there are any in this draft class.

Please DO NOT draft a QB. I was against drafting O'Conner when we already had Bridge on the roster, especially when there were a handful of good Oline prospects still available. I like that the league is providing incentives for teams to develop a Canadian qb, but other teams have a more pressing need for one than we do. Let them burn a high pick while we take the good Olinemen.

[Argo57]

I havent been impressed with Popps two drafts. Hes definitely neglected the O-line. That has to be priority #1.

We still dont have that game-changing Canadian reciever. I had high hopes for Noel, but he cant seem to break out of his role as a bit-player. Jimmy Ralph is a regular starter but not a game changer. SJ isnt going to be around forever and it would be great to fill his shoes with a non-import.

I'd like to see us draft a good kicker who can handle punts as well. I'm not sure if there are any in this draft class.

Please DO NOT draft a QB. I was against drafting O'Conner when we already had Bridge on the roster, especially when there were a handful of good Oline prospects still available. I like that the league is providing incentives for teams to develop a Canadian qb, but other teams have a more pressing need for one than we do. Let them burn a high pick while we take the good Olinemen.

The only point I disagree with is Bridge who hasn’t shown the necessary skills to be an effective starter in the CFL and hasn’t stuck with any team despite a few opportunities.

[paulwoods13]

The only point I disagree with is Bridge who hasn’t shown the necessary skills to be an effective starter in the CFL and hasn’t stuck with any team despite a few opportunities.

O'Connor remains a good prospect. Bridge does not. I am very glad we drafted O'Connor and have high hopes for him to develop into a starting QB at some point in the next 2-3 years. I would not oppose drafting another QB in 2020, but we clearly need o-linemen more, altho there are not many of those in this particular top 20.

[Argo57]

O'Connor remains a good prospect. Bridge does not. I am very glad we drafted O'Connor and have high hopes for him to develop into a starting QB at some point in the next 2-3 years. I would not oppose drafting another QB in 2020, but we clearly need o-linemen more, altho there are not many of those in this particular top 20.

The O’Connor pick was the highlight of the draft for me TBH, decent QB prospects are at a premium so Popp was wise to grab him while he could.
Argos need a couple of blue chip O-Line prospects badly, still early but you wonder if the Argos whiffed on the Shane Richards pick?

[OV Argo]

Interesting list, with a bunch of NCAA ball Canucks with nice resumes.

Rourke - unless he draws serious NFL interest (?) - should be a CFL 1st rounder - big, mobile QBs with even half decent arms, have shown they can do damage in the CFL lately (no surprise if you get CFL history) - see Fajardo & Strevler; we'll see if any CFL GOBs show real interest in a Canadian QB by using a first rounder on Rourke = i have my doubts; just like i have serious doubts O'Connor ever gets a real CFL shot.

Carabins DB M-A Dequoy is a guy I'd like to see the Argos able to draft - big, fast, play-making DB who could make a very good CFL safety prospect.

How many O-linemen do the Argos have to draft before they come up with a solid starter? - any young guys they have now going to pan-out ?

Receivers Claypool, Brissett and Ternowski all have very good college ball resumes; not sure they need more NI receivers though if Noel or Cibasu are not getting much use now; CFL GOB thinking now has young Canadian receiver talent often sitting or little used.

[doubleblue]

OV wrote:

Receivers Claypool, Brissett and Ternowski all have very good college ball resumes; not sure they need more NI receivers though if Noel or Cibasu are not getting much use now; CFL GOB thinking now has young Canadian receiver talent often sitting or little used.[/QUOTE]


I still think Gittens can develop into a good receiver for the Argos. They don't believe in rushing their young Canadian receivers though it seems.
Claypool looks like a sure fire NFL player. I would take Rourke over Brissett if they both were still on the board when the Argos pick. Ternowski would be a later round pick if he was still there, but they already have a player similar in Ralph. IMO
So my wish would be Rourke first and then one of the O Linemen. Can't see Toronto picking worse than 3rd, 12th and 21th in the first three rounds.

[gilthethrill]

I havent been impressed with Popps two drafts. Hes definitely neglected the O-line. That has to be priority #1.

We still dont have that game-changing Canadian reciever. I had high hopes for Noel, but he cant seem to break out of his role as a bit-player. Jimmy Ralph is a regular starter but not a game changer. SJ isnt going to be around forever and it would be great to fill his shoes with a non-import.

I'd like to see us draft a good kicker who can handle punts as well. I'm not sure if there are any in this draft class.

Please DO NOT draft a QB. I was against drafting O'Conner when we already had Bridge on the roster, especially when there were a handful of good Oline prospects still available. I like that the league is providing incentives for teams to develop a Canadian qb, but other teams have a more pressing need for one than we do. Let them burn a high pick while we take the good Olinemen.

I don't know if Popp has neglected the oline. He drafted Mason Woods in his first year, Ryan Hunter high in year two, and this season drafted ( I forget his name because he doesn't play) at #1overall along with Maurice Simba (PR) and Eric Starczala (returned to Guelph)...i feel i missed someone. However none have contributed while other teams oline draft picks have.

No doubt this area has been mismanaged...even Jim Barker , with the exception of Sean McEwen didn't do much there unless Jamal Campbell who is finally getting a chance to play develops. DJ Sackey is now languishing on Ottawa's PR.

[Neely2005]

Hopefully we have a new President and GM well before the draft.

[paulwoods13]

Yeah because the president makes the final draft selections.

[doubleblue]

The first 2020 CFL Scouting Bureau report is out. The Argos may have first overall pick and more than likely a top three pick so who teams rank most highly could be of special interest to Argo fans. Of course there is always the questions of how good the rankings actually are, of how much they will change over time, and how good teams' own analyses are in making picks, but this report gives some first impressions of who is standing out at the beginning of the college season.
Interestingly there are two QBs on the list: Nathan Rourke at #3 of Ohio and Adam Sinagra of Calgary at # 18.
While I do think the Argos need to get add to their OL, I would also love to see them go for one of these QBs at some point in the draft in the CFL's never-ending search for the next Canadian starting QB.
What do you think?

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/12/gallim...reau-rankings/

Nathan Rourke is an exceptional CFL style QB so I hope Jim Popp takes a hard look at him for the Argos top pick. Not as many offensive linemen in the top ten as other years , so don't know if that means it is a weak class for the O Line or the others players listed are exceptional.
Probably the top 5 or 6 will get NFL looks for sure, although CB Rene will probably go back to North Carolina next year after tearing his ACL.
At first glance it looks like another deep draft with several real good players but not many exceptional ones. I have a good feeling about DE Mason Bennett at North Dakota. DE Daniel Joseph at Penn State is a brother of Faith Ekakite Winnipeg's #1 pick in 2017 who I believe is out of Football now.
I have to admit that I have seen most of the NCAA players on TV and very few of the CIS guys as unfortunately they are not on any stations that I know of.
I would like to see the CBC show a game of the week. They are suppose to show a percentage of Canadian content or is that not in play anymore.

[argolio]

Considering his career path, I think Rourke's first pro stop will be the NFL. That would make him a late CFL draft pick.

[ArgoGabe22]

Is Ciabasu even considered a receiver anymore? Based on his CIS career, he looks to be wasted as a backup H-back but may have bulked up to became an NFL TE?

[doubleblue]

Is Ciabasu even considered a receiver anymore? Based on his CIS career, he looks to be wasted as a backup H-back but may have bulked up to became an NFL TE?

That would be interesting to see Chamblin give Cibasu some time at TE. He is a big young man at 6'3 240-245. Most teams bring in their backup O Lineman as TE's. But someone like Cibasu could release and be an over the middle pass target especially when the other teams blitz's a line backer.

[OV Argo]

That would be interesting to see Chamblin give Cibasu some time at TE. He is a big young man at 6'3 240-245. Most teams bring in their backup O Lineman as TE's. But someone like Cibasu could release and be an over the middle pass target especially when the other teams blitz's a line backer.

Cept that CFL offensive coaching bright lights don`t get the possibility of a TE being used as a pâss catching weapon - long gone from the game for good ole, same old simpleton offences now; though it has been tried in the past decade or so - once or twice a season sort of by a few teams, and usually with great success - a TE lines up tight to the line and releases down-field and almost always wide-open for a big gainer (Ottawa used if for a long TD to Beaulieu, last year i think it was); basically what i would call a freebie play in the offensive bingo card - defences just are not going to be ready for it, the TE ends up WIDE open; mind you, they would end up adjusting some if the play was used a few times- but for once a game, and at a time when you need a big play = easy as pie or liking taking candy from a baby defence; offensive same old CFL minds can`t seem to get or grasp this.

[Jon Gonzo]

Cept that CFL offensive coaching bright lights don`t get the possibility of a TE being used as a pâss catching weapon - long gone from the game for good ole, same old simpleton offences now; though it has been tried in the past decade or so - once or twice a season sort of by a few teams, and usually with great success - a TE lines up tight to the line and releases down-field and almost always wide-open for a big gainer (Ottawa used if for a long TD to Beaulieu, last year i think it was); basically what i would call a freebie play in the offensive bingo card - defences just are not going to be ready for it, the TE ends up WIDE open; mind you, they would end up adjusting some if the play was used a few times- but for once a game, and at a time when you need a big play = easy as pie or liking taking candy from a baby defence; offensive same old CFL minds can`t seem to get or grasp this.

Argos used Jamal Campbell as a TE for a TD this year. Usually see this play once or twice a season for paydirt.

[OV Argo]

Argos used Jamal Campbell as a TE for a TD this year. Usually see this play once or twice a season for paydirt.

An extra O-Lineman in for goal-line, short yardage situations and catching a TD pass as a surprise or trick play has been going on (maybe a few times a season) in the CFL for quite some time now.

I wuz talking about something totally different - an actual pass catching tight end (guy with real receiver experience and skills), lining up on the line, and from anywhere on the field and releasing well down-field to maybe catch a pass; not sure many O-lineman have this capability; we were talking about a Cibasu having that receiver ability, but also the size to be in for blocking duties (sets up the play if all the D sees from the guy is a bit of pass pro or run blocking); Brian Jones was another big body receiver who could have filled this role; Declan Cross was doing some damage as a pass catching H-back awhile back (and too bad this Argo offence lost that), but it was mostly shorter passes where the big guy could get rumbling and truck DBs (love to see that); Cibasu & Jones types probably have way more well downfield receiver skills and experience. This a possible big gainer play (50+ yard type) if used as a surprise from well inside your own end of the field.

[OV Argo]

CFL scouts can`t see fit to draft the likes of outstanding kicking talents like Paredes, Liam H-alphabet or little Ottawa guy who goes on to set all-time pro FG accuarcy mark; but now they have this Molson guy in their top 20 - why - cause the guy is on a groovy Div I roster. or maybe they are getting that kickers can be very important in the CFL game ÉÉÉ

[doubleblue]

CFL scouts can`t see fit to draft the likes of outstanding kicking talents like Paredes, Liam H-alphabet or little Ottawa guy who goes on to set all-time pro FG accuarcy mark; but now they have this Molson guy in their top 20 - why - cause the guy is on a groovy Div I roster. or maybe they are getting that kickers can be very important in the CFL game ÉÉÉ

Saw Molson kick a couple of converts and a kickoff yesterday in the UCLA/ Oklahoma game yesterday. Converts were dead center and the kickoff was in the end zone. So he has a pretty good leg. The GOB CFL scouts have him rated in the 2nd round which is fairly high IMO for a PK. He doesn't punt, but probably can if needed.
Also saw Gallimore for Oklahoma. He looked slimmer and quicker than I remember from seeing him last year in two or three games. Which would be good for the CFL game. He may get drafted down there and we will have a better idea later in the season. Never pressured the QB much from his DT spot but was tough to run against.

[jerrym]

The CFL Scouting Bureau failed to list the Canadian RB who is currently leading the NCAA in rushing - Chuba Hubbard, who is now starting to receive some press as a potential Heisman Trophy winner. If he were to do that, he would be the first non-American winner. Of course, if he were to do that, he would be going to the NFL, not the CFL, at least initially.

In all of sport, there may be no individual award more storied than the Heisman trophy. ...

Since 1935, the award has been the crowning achievement for football’s biggest star. The elite club includes nine Pro Football Hall of Famers and 22 first overall NFL draft picks. Nine recipients have taken their talents north of the border, including CFL legend Doug Flutie, the “Ordinary Superstar” Johnny Rodgers and recent league outcast Johnny Manziel, bringing with them the hype and glamour associated with the award.

Despite being equally recognizable on this side of the 49th, the Heisman trophy has never been awarded to a foreign-born player. This season, that could change thanks to an elusive runner born and raised in Sherwood Park, Alberta. Oklahoma State’s Chuba Hubbard has been the most electrifying player in college football through three weeks of play. The six-foot-one, 207-pound redshirt sophomore took over the Cowboys’ starting running back job in Week 1, seizing his opportunity with a 26-carry performance against Oregon State that saw him amass 221 yards and three touchdowns on the ground.

After being used sparingly in Week 2 against FCS opponent McNeese State, getting just eight attempts for 44 yards and a touchdown in a blowout win by OSU, Hubbard exceeded already lofty expectations by setting a new career-high in rushing last week. Hubbard sliced through Tulsa for 256 yards on 32 attempts and added another hat trick of touchdowns.

Perhaps for the first time ever, a Canadian sits atop the NCAA rushing leaderboard a quarter of the way through the college football season, leading the nation with 521 yards and ranked second with seven touchdowns. Advanced stats show that Hubbard has forced 14 missed tackles and has churned out an incredible 297 yards after contact. It’s a stat line that has put a Heisman trophy campaign firmly in the realm of possibility. ...

ESPN.com’s weekly Heisman rankings had the Cowboys’ bell cow in the eighth spot going into Week 4, with 30-to-1 odds to win the award. ProFootballFocus, which grades every college player on every snap, has him ranked in their 10th spot. It’s a candidacy that is all the more surprising given the admirable road-less-traveled that Hubbard took to NCAA stardom.

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