Harris, Collaros, Fajardo, Kilgore and probably Franklin Argos - CFL QB Farm Team

[paulwoods13]

If it's a bad trade because the Argos lost the ability to draft guys who were available at the time of those picks, then virtually every trade involving draft picks is a bad trade. Players getting outperformed by players drafted lower than them is one of the only predictable things about every CFL draft. Maybe there have been trades where the player selected with the acquired pick turned out to be the best available player, but I'd bet those are few and far between. The Willy trade -- where the picks turned out to be worse players than guys who could have been picked -- is just par for the course.

[Jon Gonzo]

There are absolutely no reasons to defend that trade. You couldn't' possibly spin it as anything other than a giant, desperate mistake that in all likelihood cost those two gentlemen their jobs. Willy would have most likely been available as a free agent in short order anyway, and if he wasn't, who cares? He wasn't any good. Saying that; if the Argos are able to turn this into a little bidding war with a couple of teams interested, maybe they can get a 1st rounder back? If I'm Winnipeg, and that was the price, I'd really have to consider thinking about that being worth it and getting a little Mc-Insurnace

[Wobbler]

If it's a bad trade because the Argos lost the ability to draft guys who were available at the time of those picks, then virtually every trade involving draft picks is a bad trade. Players getting outperformed by players drafted lower than them is one of the only predictable things about every CFL draft. Maybe there have been trades where the player selected with the acquired pick turned out to be the best available player, but I'd bet those are few and far between. The Willy trade -- where the picks turned out to be worse players than guys who could have been picked -- is just par for the course.

Really, Paul? Leaving aside the measurable outcomes (Willy vs. Heath), probability-limited assets have value. This topic should die, but I'm intrigued.

[paulwoods13]

Yes, draft picks have value, but it's only potential value until we see how the picks turn out. A lot of picks turn out to have lower value than later picks. My point was that if you're going to say trading picks is bad on the basis of who was chosen later (and who could have been chosen by you with the pick you traded), then there's a good chance most trades involving picks would be considered bad -- because it's common for later picks to outperform earlier picks. To test this one would simply need to look at every "acquired" pick made in any gibven draft and compare the player taken with the pick against all players taken later. I'd be willing to bet there would be few occasions when the picked player was clearly better than everyone else still available.

[Neely2005]

Ugh. This, still? Heath did quite a bit more for Winnipeg than Willy did for the Argos. Winnipeg's poor use of the #1 pick in 2017 doesn't devalue it. Daniel Petermann may not have set the world on fire, but they have him and we don't.

It was a bad trade... that is no longer relevant.

Well it's relevant if we trade MBT who is our current version of Drew Willy.

[doubleblue]

Ugh. This, still? Heath did quite a bit more for Winnipeg than Willy did for the Argos. Winnipeg's poor use of the #1 pick in 2017 doesn't devalue it. Daniel Petermann may not have set the world on fire, but they have him and we don't.

It was a bad trade... that is no longer relevant.

You are right on with this post.

[jerrym]

You are right on with this post.

And we don't know who the Argos would have picked with the #1 overall, good, bad or indifferent, if they still had had it.

[Argo57]

And we don't know who the Argos would have picked with the #1 overall, good, bad or indifferent, if they still had had it.

This is a key point Jerry, who knows who the Argos would have picked.
In hindsight the trade wasn’t the disaster I thought it was at the time given the fact the Argos won a Grey Cup the following season but it still was a desperate overpay for a mediocre at best QB.
Time to move on.

[argolio]

Jo Jo Heath (RIP) was the better CFL journeyman DB. He actually played in a Grey Cup. Two of them!

[argos1873]

Pretty good thing to show for it. (Which doesn't mean we should stop trying to develop, and keep, young QBs. But I'd make that trade again.)

Which trade are you talking about?

[paulwoods13]

Which trade are you talking about?

Read the post I was responding to. Not a trade, a tradeoff.

[ArgoRavi]

Jusdanis was `killed`by CFL GOB thinking when he was written-off after one year of some playing time at QB - with lots of struggles on a bad offence, but also some flashes of promise; he was asked to switch to slotback the next season with no other real shot to play QB in the CFL again; meanwhile OTOH - dozens and dozens of young import QBs who struggled a bit or else got little playing time, have and continue to, survived on CFL rosters, with repeat chances to be on rosters of multiple teams, and get at least several shots at playing time.

It`s the CFL way - wether some like it or not - all sorts of young American QBs get multiple shots at roster spots and at least some playing time; Canadian QBs are 3rd class citizens there - to be written-off with little shot or totally ignored to begin with, Don`t expect any change there soon; don`t expect O`Connor to play QB in the CFL.

To be fair, John Huard and J.I. Albrecht gave Jusdanis every opportunity to be the Argos' starter in 2000 training camp and preseason and he stunk. I believe he played the most in preseason too. Jusdanis retired after the preseason.

[ArgoRavi]

I`d take a 1st round pick and another player ( a promising young NI like receiver Peterman or DB Hallett) for either of Franklin or MacBeth

If Popp extracts anything more than a conditional draft pick for Franklin he should get a parade for it.

[ArgoRavi]

Jo Jo Heath (RIP) was the better CFL journeyman DB. He actually played in a Grey Cup. Two of them!

Jo Jo Heath could actually cover. There is a reason why TJ is no longer in the league.

[Argo57]

If Popp extracts anything more than a conditional draft pick for Franklin he should get a parade for it.

You are probably correct Ravi.

[OV Argo]

To be fair, John Huard and J.I. Albrecht gave Jusdanis every opportunity to be the Argos' starter in 2000 training camp and preseason and he stunk. I believe he played the most in preseason too. Jusdanis retired after the preseason.

Really É - interestin`Ravi - I guess i don`t recall enough about that Argo TC; so maybe I`ll have to take your word on the èvery opportunity`bit - LOL He retired after the pre-season despite being the favorite to be the starter ÉÉÉ - guess we see that all the time with import CFL QBs. LOL

[OV Argo]

If Popp extracts anything more than a conditional draft pick for Franklin he should get a parade for it.

Then the Bombers should have been handed the GC for getting lots for a total stiff QB like Drew Willy.

[Neely2005]

Bombers, Argos have discussed trade for Zach Collaros:

https://3downnation.com/2019/10/08/b...zach-collaros/

[Neely2005]

Matthew Scianitti on Twitter: "Multiple sources tell @TSN_Sports now former #Argos GM Jim Popp had a 1 year deal in place to bring Zach Collaros back to Toronto in 2020. Popp never got the chance to bring deal to MLSE. Popp also turned down inquiries from…

https://mobile.twitter.com/TSNSciani...ch-collaros%2F

[Tobin Rote]

I was real jacked when they signed Fajardo... first recognizable QB signed from the NCAA in a long time. He never got a fair chance here though... for some reason.