Potential head coaches

[gilthethrill]

Did you watch the Grey Cup?
Surprised Steinauer still has a job after Hamilton’s performance.

Comparing the job status of a HC of a 4-14 team to a HC of a 15-3 team seems odd. There is strong speculation that CC could get let go. The Argos will confirm if indeed he returns in 2020 or is relieved of his duties.

[Argo57]

Comparing the job status of a HC of a 4-14 team to a HC of a 15-3 team seems odd. There is strong speculation that CC could get let go. The Argos will confirm if indeed he returns in 2020 or is relieved of his duties.

Agree with you.
What is odd is questioning (trolling) a fan base that has the nerve to want a coach removed after such a miserable season in which the team was often ill prepared and ended up 4-14.

[Ron]

Agree with you.
What is odd is questioning (trolling) a fan base that has the nerve to want a coach removed after such a miserable season in which the team was often ill prepared and ended up 4-14.

Trolling? I now know that only one line of thinking is allowed otherwise your labeled here. I have a suggestion where you can stick your trolling remark.

Many here want CC gone. I offered the response that he's not going going anywhere and so far that is being shown as fact. And I still think he's staying since IMO Pinball would not drag out firing someone. (based on his past shown history) What I "want" is irrelevant!!!!

enjoy 2020

[AngeloV]

Bombers ended up lucky they didn't listen to the fans about O'Shea early in his tenure.

Difference being O’Shea was a first time head coach who improved year after year. Chamblin seemed to have peeked as a head coach really early and has regressed every year he’s has been one since.

[paulwoods13]

One of the reasons CC might be retained is mgmt. might believe he was hamstrung by too many responsibilities this year as both HC and DC. In theory, give him a DC and allow him to concentrate on head coaching and he might be fine.

But . . .

A head coach (who is not also a coordinator) has the following responsibilities:

1. Select the right coordinators and other assistants, and let them do their jobs
2. Select the right players (from whatever players the GM provides) and let them do their jobs
3. Sign off on game plans developed by the coordinators
4. Motivate the team and keep everyone pulling in the same direction throughout the long season and during games
5. During games, make decisions on (a) penalties, (b) challenges, (c) third-down gambles, (d) use of time-outs

There are no doubt other aspects to the job, but those seem to be the main ones. Granted it might be difficult to properly evaluate CC since he was also the DC, but IMO he did well only on No. 4 -- keeping the team motivated and together. He was abysmal on in-game decision-making, his choice of coordinators was poor, his deployment of personnel was often questionable (e.g. going back to Franklin, keeping Kanneh, Covington and others in the defence, starting the season with Poop at DT and Wild at OLB) and the game planning was terrible for most of the season altho it seemed to get better over the final six to eight games.

I just don't see a good case to retain him. If he's retained primarily because he has built an alliance with Murphy, and Pinball hasn't yet been failed by him, that's a recipe for failure IMO.

[Argo57]

One of the reasons CC might be retained is mgmt. might believe he was hamstrung by too many responsibilities this year as both HC and DC. In theory, give him a DC and allow him to concentrate on head coaching and he might be fine.

But . . .

A head coach (who is not also a coordinator) has the following responsibilities:

1. Select the right coordinators and other assistants, and let them do their jobs
2. Select the right players (from whatever players the GM provides) and let them do their jobs
3. Sign off on game plans developed by the coordinators
4. Motivate the team and keep everyone pulling in the same direction throughout the long season and during games
5. During games, make decisions on (a) penalties, (b) challenges, (c) third-down gambles, (d) use of time-outs

There are no doubt other aspects to the job, but those seem to be the main ones. Granted it might be difficult to properly evaluate CC since he was also the DC, but IMO he did well only on No. 4 -- keeping the team motivated and together. He was abysmal on in-game decision-making, his choice of coordinators was poor, his deployment of personnel was often questionable (e.g. going back to Franklin, keeping Kanneh, Covington and others in the defence, starting the season with Poop at DT and Wild at OLB) and the game planning was terrible for most of the season altho it seemed to get better over the final six to eight games.

I just don't see a good case to retain him. If he's retained primarily because he has built an alliance with Murphy, and Pinball hasn't yet been failed by him, that's a recipe for failure IMO.

There really is no case to retain Chamblin.
The whole Pinball hasn’t been failed by him premise is a load of crap IMO since Clemons was up close and personal in witnessing the 2019 debacle which most importantly failed the Toronto Argonauts and their fans.

[1971GreyCup]

I suspect that prior to being hired, “Pinball” must have made his vision of the 2020 Argos season. I can’t see that that case included a “status” quo proposal for next year.

Also, the Argos decision comes after the in-season dismantling of much of the Montreal Alouettes management. The Als carried out a very successful restructure improved on field performance and ticket sales at the same time.

Like mentioned here, season ticket sales have to start soon. An announcement should be expected soon.

I saw that Mike O’Shea is highly expected to sign with the Blue Bombers. He also was highly expected to sign with the Ticats years ago. I am sure he knows how much he is wanted here.

[AngeloV]

I saw that Mike O’Shea is highly expected to sign with the Blue Bombers. He also was highly expected to sign with the Ticats years ago. I am sure he knows how much he is wanted here.

Dec 31 is the date his contract expires. He and Walters can say all the right things about wanting to stay/wanting him back, but if that Dec 31 day approaches, and he is still unsigned, I suspect O'Shea will explore all options available. To me, the fact that they let him go into the season without an extension is a bit of a slap in the face. Successful coaches are rarely put into this situation.

[paulwoods13]

Dec 31 is the date his contract expires. He and Walters can say all the right things about wanting to stay/wanting him back, but if that Dec 31 day approaches, and he is still unsigned, I suspect O'Shea will explore all options available. To me, the fact that they let him go into the season without an extension is a bit of a slap in the face. Successful coaches are rarely put into this situation.

MOS is coming out of this way ahead, that's for sure. Winning the Grey Cup while working without the safety net of a contract beyond 2019 means he has set himself up for a very healthy pay increase and/or a nice long-term guaranteed contract. I still don't see him leaving Wpg but I guess we'll know in the next few weeks.

[argotom]

It's official as one of the HC dominos has fallen, Campbell to BC.
Meanwhile here in TO, another day and more crickets............?

[R.J]

It's official as one of the HC dominos has fallen, Campbell to BC.
Meanwhile here in TO, another day and more crickets............?

At this point, I think it's just easier to accept that Chamblin is sticking around. I'll also add in that since Bell/Tanenbaum and later MLSE have become involved, everything they announce is always delayed. Trestman's firing literally being the only exception.

[doubleblue]

It's official as one of the HC dominos has fallen, Campbell to BC.
Meanwhile here in TO, another day and more crickets............?

I still think O'Shea is coming to Toronto. Even more so after watching his "press conference" last week.

[AngeloV]

I still think O'Shea is coming to Toronto. Even more so after watching his "press conference" last week.

I'm in the same boat here.

[Jon Gonzo]

I'm in the same boat here.

I am convinced that O'Shea is the Argos #1 target, or they would have simply announced the return of Chamblin by now.
Chamblin is probably the 2nd choice & we may even see him back as a DCO, should he change his mind and decide to work under MOS.
That would be ideal, but CC probably won't accept much of a pay cut. The Argos do have an Coaching exception card they can play in all this, if I understand this right.

[AngeloV]

The Argos do have an Coaching exception card they can play in all this, if I understand this right.

That is correct, because they fired Trestman prior to the coaches cap officially being implemented by the league.

[jerrym]

I still think O'Shea is coming to Toronto. Even more so after watching his "press conference" last week.

I'm in the same boat here.

I am convinced that O'Shea is the Argos #1 target, or they would have simply announced the return of Chamblin by now.
Chamblin is probably the 2nd choice & we may even see him back as a DCO, should he change his mind and decide to work under MOS.
That would be ideal, but CC probably won't accept much of a pay cut. The Argos do have an Coaching exception card they can play in all this, if I understand this right.

O'Shea says the odds are "pretty high" he is staying in Winnipeg, according to CBC. He's pretty much a straight shooter so I think it's unlikely he is coming here.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...bers-1.5379021

[R.J]

I still think O'Shea is coming to Toronto. Even more so after watching his "press conference" last week.

Could be I suppose. And I'd be willing to bet that the team is more than well aware keeping Chamblin around will be a hard sell to the fan base (Pinball or no Pinball). So, it could be a Chamblin or O'Shea thing, where the team is just waiting for O'Shea to tell Winnipeg that he's not coming back, then Toronto signs him and gives the boot to Chamblin. Although, if O'Shea decides to stay in Winnipeg, Chamblin goes nowhere.

What's concerning for me is if Chamblin stays, it sounds as though Pinball and Murphy will hire his Co-ordinators. I don't see Chamblin working out long term with someone who could be his potential replacement. He's essentially a lame duck coach, so why not just rip off the band aid now and get it over with, instead of wasting time ?

[ArgoZ]

What's concerning for me is if Chamblin stays, it sounds as though Pinball and Murphy will hire his Co-ordinators. I don't see Chamblin working out long term with someone who could be his potential replacement. He's essentially a lame duck coach, so why not just rip off the band aid now and get it over with, instead of wasting time ?

What a scary but plausible scenario. I already know the outcome. After we go 0-6 or 1-8, I can see Pinball stepping in after relieving Chamblin. A wasted start and everyone’s time. The team will rally behind Pinball and pull off a few wins, but will already be in to big of a hole to make the playoffs.

[ArgoGabe22]

Argos don’t have to announce the return of Chamblin. He’s the coach until announced he’s been relieved of his duties

[argolio]

That story is now five days old. 27 days until his contract expires.