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    Some of our new recruits played in the United Bowl of the IFL last year.. Sheppard looks https://youtu.be/TnaNpiHlDBs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treblecharger1 View Post
    Some of our new recruits played in the United Bowl of the IFL last year.. Sheppard looks https://youtu.be/TnaNpiHlDBs
    Looks like Murph signed all the outstanding players from this game. Talent is talent no matter where they come from. I like the size of these guys too.

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    In the CFL having a great bird-dog is essential.

    Jim Popp was one of those guys, at one time, but I sensed that he was getting lazier or more out of touch. If you're not in it, you lose touch with it instantaneously...I am quite certain.

    To get someone young and hungry, like Murph-Dog, can only help. Both Jim Barker and Jim Popp were very good recruiters at one time, but really didn't replace themselves when they became fat cats. And then, just like that, they are out of touch.

    For the past several seasons, when the Argos recruited well, they usually developed good/great players for other teams. But more than not, they have not recruited well...and I now expect that to change with the arrival of John Murphy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo View Post
    In the CFL having a great bird-dog is essential.

    Jim Popp was one of those guys, at one time, but I sensed that he was getting lazier or more out of touch. If you're not in it, you lose touch with it instantaneously...I am quite certain.

    To get someone young and hungry, like Murph-Dog, can only help. Both Jim Barker and Jim Popp were very good recruiters at one time, but really didn't replace themselves when they became fat cats. And then, just like that, they are out of touch.

    For the past several seasons, when the Argos recruited well, they usually developed good/great players for other teams. But more than not, they have not recruited well...and I now expect that to change with the arrival of John Murphy.
    Things do in fact get stale over a period of time, glad the Argos have moved on with a new vision.
    Player personnel and the coaching staff need to be on the same page which seems to have been a major issue in the last couple of seasons.
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    The Argos have added two more Americans to their roster: DL Ronald Ollie and LB Jason Beck.

    Ollie, 23, was signed by the Oakland Raiders in May of 2019 and spent time in training camp with the NFL club. The Mississippi native spent two seasons at Nicholls State (2016, 2018) where he tallied 74 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, seven sacks and two fumble recoveries in 22 games for the Colonels. The 6’2, 292-pound lineman started his collegiate career at East Mississippi Community College (2014-2015) where he was named All-State Second Team Defense in 2015. Ollie was one of the stars of the hit Netflix reality show ‘Last Chance U’ during its first season.

    Beck, 6’1 and 220-pounds, played four seasons at the University of Eastern Michigan (2014-2017) where he racked up 353 tackles, 10.5 tackles for loss, three interceptions and one fumble recovery in 49 career games. The Indianapolis native played the most games in school history and his tackles total was seventh best all-time for the Eagles.
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    Interesting that Dinwidddie likes O'Connor and MBT, makes no mention of Prukop. Looking more and more like Collaros and MBT, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Interesting that Dinwidddie likes O'Connor and MBT, makes no mention of Prukop. Looking more and more like Collaros and MBT, IMO.

    https://www.cfl.ca/2020/01/07/argos-...4HAiJTMtpWzGnI

    Be interesting to see if the Argos (and other CFL teams) will dress 3 QBs for next season with the roster rule change there ? Interesting to see that recent NFL play-off game where the Eagles starter got knocked out of the game early and then their 40 some year old back-up played and got hit hard a few times and was limping late in the game - WTF would any pro football team with huge rosters dress only 2 QBs ??? - the 2 QBs get knocked out of the game and you are basically done with whoever else on the roster having to go under C? - IMO - inexcusable for any reg season game (they're all important in a season where one game can decide your play-off chances, let alone a big play-off game).


    IF the Argos go out and get Collaros as starter - MBT as #2 and then who as #3 (even as PR QB)? Probably little chance another CFL team would try to poach O'Connor off the PR?

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    O'Connor was never on the practice roster in 2019, when the Argos carried four and sometimes five QBs. Why on earth would he be placed on the PR in 2020 when the team may have only three QBs? Oh yeah, I know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    O'Connor was never on the practice roster in 2019, when the Argos carried four and sometimes five QBs. Why on earth would he be placed on the PR in 2020 when the team may have only three QBs? Oh yeah, I know why.

    So, say the Argos go out and get Collaros, and like MBT as #2, then you think O'Connor would be #3, and also that they will dress 3 QBs ?

    And if not dressed, O'Connor could be stashed on the IR ? Prukop will just be let go and not valued for playing some STs like last season ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    So, say the Argos go out and get Collaros, and like MBT as #2, then you think O'Connor would be #3, and also that they will dress 3 QBs ?

    And if not dressed, O'Connor could be stashed on the IR ? Prukop will just be let go and not valued for playing some STs like last season ?
    Prukop’s versatility should draw interest from a few teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    So, say the Argos go out and get Collaros, and like MBT as #2, then you think O'Connor would be #3, and also that they will dress 3 QBs ?

    And if not dressed, O'Connor could be stashed on the IR ? Prukop will just be let go and not valued for playing some STs like last season ?
    Yes, if not dressed, O'Connor will be stashed in the IR -- just as he was this year when he was not on the 46. As I said, he was never on the PR in 2019 even though the Argos had four and at times five QBs. So again, why would he be on PR when they will probably have three QBs? Don't bother answering -- it's a rhetorical question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Yes, if not dressed, O'Connor will be stashed in the IR -- just as he was this year when he was not on the 46. As I said, he was never on the PR in 2019 even though the Argos had four and at times five QBs. So again, why would he be on PR when they will probably have three QBs? Don't bother answering -- it's a rhetorical question.
    Is the PR not a possibility for any player who they like to have on the roster, but are not willing or ready to have on the game roster ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treblecharger1 View Post
    Some of our new recruits played in the United Bowl of the IFL last year.. Sheppard looks https://youtu.be/TnaNpiHlDBs

    Here's the profile of another player that the Argos signed last week on Jan. 2 who played in the IFL's United Bowl: WR Kent Shelby.

    Shelby, 24, was a member of the 2019 Indoor Football League champion Sioux Falls Storm, where he racked up 518 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns in 11 games last season. The New Orleans native was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Los Angeles Chargers following his college career in 2018 and attended rookie mini-camp with the NFL club. The 6’3, 208-pound WR left McNeese State, where he played from 2014-2017, as one of the most prolific pass catchers in team history after finishing his career with 129 receptions, 1,910 receiving yards and 14 touchdowns, good for fourth, fifth and sixth all-time in team history respectively.
    https://www.argonauts.ca/2020/01/02/...r-kent-shelby/

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    CFL.ca has a long article on DL Ronald Ollie, who had his moment of fame on in Last Chance U Netflix documentary, who the Argos just signed.

    https://www.cfl.ca/2020/01/08/ollie-...otball-player/

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    More positive comments from RD re MBT.

    https://www.tsn.ca/new-toronto-argon...pson-1.1424312
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    More positive comments from RD re MBT.

    https://www.tsn.ca/new-toronto-argon...pson-1.1424312
    Only a moron can't see that there were way more positives than negatives with MBT last year. He grew as much or more than any QB not named Vernon Adams in 2019, and was a better QB than the highly sought after Mike Reilly too.
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    I would be quite optimistic about a MBT - Collaros/or Arbuckle combination, but I don't see coming in with the same thing as last year is a wise idea either on a football ops level or a marketing level.

    However, if you give me the aforementioned combo, then a return to the Playoffs is once again a possibility.

    The challenge is to have both players open to a 1A/ 1B scenario, and bottom line that means open to....less money.

    Dinwiddie and Pinball have both made it clear that the QB position is of optimum importance. Expect the Argos to chase this issue down hard, and that includes insuring that there are contingencies covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo View Post
    I would be quite optimistic about a MBT - Collaros/or Arbuckle combination, but I don't see coming in with the same thing as last year is a wise idea either on a football ops level or a marketing level.

    However, if you give me the aforementioned combo, then a return to the Playoffs is once again a possibility.

    The challenge is to have both players open to a 1A/ 1B scenario, and bottom line that means open to....less money.

    Dinwiddie and Pinball have both made it clear that the QB position is of optimum importance. Expect the Argos to chase this issue down hard, and that includes insuring that there are contingencies covered.
    I agree they will push hard on this. I see no way we go into this year with the same thing as last year because that would mean Franklin. He has to be finished here.

    I've been calling for months to have MBT and Collaros as 1 and 2, altho Collaros might have made it hard to pay him like a (well-paid) 2 with his play down the stretch. I believe both guys can be fit under the salary structure and there will obviously be room for MOC as well. I'm inclined to think we won't see Prukop back, despite his tantalizing brief glimpse at the end of the season, given that RD did not mention him yesterday. I would think we'll have a fourth QB -- an up-and-comer who can be stashed on PR (IR if absolutely necessary) to go along with two experienced guys and with MOC waiting his turn for another year, now up a notch at No. 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Gonzo View Post
    I would be quite optimistic about a MBT - Collaros/or Arbuckle combination, but I don't see coming in with the same thing as last year is a wise idea either on a football ops level or a marketing level.

    However, if you give me the aforementioned combo, then a return to the Playoffs is once again a possibility.

    The challenge is to have both players open to a 1A/ 1B scenario, and bottom line that means open to....less money.

    Dinwiddie and Pinball have both made it clear that the QB position is of optimum importance. Expect the Argos to chase this issue down hard, and that includes insuring that there are contingencies covered.
    Argo Neg List QB'S in the XFL include Conner Cook and Luis Perez. They could join the team after their season concludes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilthethrill View Post
    Argo Neg List QB'S in the XFL include Conner Cook and Luis Perez. They could join the team after their season concludes.
    So by March?

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