Justin Dunk reporting Ryan Dinwiddie is the new Argos head coach

[Neely2005]

LOL, he threw 6 passes as an injury replacement in one drive during mop-up time. Only someone with an agenda would fault a backup QB in that situation for getting "shutout!".

And the shutout was Edmonton, not Calgary.

There were 3 Games where MBT scored 0 Points. I'm only counting 2 of them, Calgary and Edmonton. I'm not counting the Saskatchewan game.

Not sure what's unclear.

[paulwoods13]

MBT deserves credit for his season. He displayed intestinal fortitude and moxy. He'd possibly make the best 2nd stringer in the league for maybe another season or so, but we had tons of time to evaluate and you cannot safely go into a season expecting him to be your starter.

And yet there are people who feel we could go safely into 2020 with Arbuckle as our starter, despite the fact we've seen much less of him than we have seen of MBT. (And what we saw was IMO a lot less impressive than what we saw from MBT.)

I've reconciled to the likelihood that MBT won't be back in double blue next season. And I expect he will make Argo fans regret the team letting him leave.

[AngeloV]

There were 3 Games where MBT scored 0 Points. I'm only counting 2 of them, Calgary and Edmonton. I'm not counting the Saskatchewan game.

Not sure what's unclear.

You need to check your facts. The team was down 20-6 when he was pulled from the Calgary game, but feel free to continue to make things up.

[Neely2005]

You need to check your facts. The team was down 20-6 when he was pulled from the Calgary game, but feel free to continue to make things up.

https://www.argonauts.ca/games/2614/...nto-argonauts/

BETHEL-THOMPSON, Mcleod
12/19 63.2% 86 0 TD 1 INT 18

[AngeloV]

https://www.argonauts.ca/games/2614/...nto-argonauts/

BETHEL-THOMPSON, Mcleod
12/19 63.2% 86 0 TD 1 INT 18

It was 20-3 when he was pulled, not 20-6. My bad, but still, you said ZERO points.

[Neely2005]

It was 20-3 when he was pulled, not 20-6. My bad, but still, you said ZERO points.

I said that MBT scored 0 Points. Which is accurate.

3 Games he scored 0 Points. Although as I mentioned he didn't play much in the Saskatchewan game.

[argolio]

I said that MBT scored 0 Points. Which is accurate.

3 Games he scored 0 Points. Although as I mentioned he didn't play much in the Saskatchewan game.

If you want to get technical, statistically speaking, MBT only scored six points in 2019 based on one rushing TD. For TD passes, the receiver catching the pass gets the actual statistical credit for the six points, not the QB. Using your metric of scoring points, QBs score 0 points more often than not.

But in general football talk, the QB is credited with leading a team to any offensive points, TD or FG, even if he doesn't throw a pass on a drive. So MBT is credited with leading the team to three points vs Calgary, just like Franklin is credited with leading the team to six points (two FGs) vs Hamilton in the season opener.

[Neely2005]

If you want to get technical, statistically speaking, MBT only scored six points in 2019 based on one rushing TD. For TD passes, the receiver catching the pass gets the actual statistical credit for the six points, not the QB. Using your metric of scoring points, QBs score 0 points more often than not.

But in general football talk, the QB is credited with leading a team to any offensive points, TD or FG, even if he doesn't throw a pass on a drive. So MBT is credited with leading the team to three points vs Calgary, just like Franklin is credited with leading the team to six points (two FGs) vs Hamilton in the season opener.

I'm counting Touchdowns Thrown or Rushed. 3 times MBT scored 0. Let that sink in. In 3 CFL Games where weather was Not a factor he threw or rushed for 0 TDs.

The fact that you have to argue over a single Field Goal really says it all.

[AngeloV]

I'm counting Touchdowns Thrown or Rushed. 3 times MBT scored 0. Let that sink in. In 3 CFL Games where weather was Not a factor he threw or rushed for 0 TDs.

The fact that you have to argue over a single Field Goal really says it all.

You mean 2 games. The Canada Day game in Saskatchewan where he entered in the 4th can hardly be used as an example for you argument.

[Neely2005]

You mean 2 games. The Canada Day game in Saskatchewan where he entered in the 4th can hardly be used as an example for you argument.

There were 3 Games where MBT scored 0 Points. I'm only counting 2 of them, Calgary and Edmonton. I'm not counting the Saskatchewan game.

Not sure what's unclear.

I said that MBT scored 0 Points. Which is accurate.

3 Games he scored 0 Points. Although as I mentioned he didn't play much in the Saskatchewan game.

Yes, I've already said that twice. You know the same number of games where MBT was shutout.

[gilthethrill]

Crap, Benevedes signed on as DC with Ottawa.... Damn It! Sorry my post didn't include MBT guys 😁

[doubleblue]

Thorpe and Dinwiddie would have worked together in Montreal I believe.

[OV Argo]

Thorpe and Dinwiddie would have worked together in Montreal I believe.

No thanks to Thorpe joining the Argos; his D in Ottawa last season was mediocre to sometimes useless. Likes to jerk players around and constantly gives new (import) players playing time to disrupt a chance at a cohesive defence.

Him and Claybrooks should have no trouble being GOB recycled in no time; just not with the Argos please.

[AngeloV]

Him and Claybrooks should have no trouble being GOB recycled in no time; just not with the Argos please.

Blah Blah Blah Blah. Do you ever say anything else?

[OV Argo]

Blah Blah Blah Blah. Do you ever say anything else?

Sorry to offend you, sir.

I wish the Argos coulda re-hired that genius Scotty M to their staff; but not that Tom Clements guy - very over-rated CFL QB ;o)

[Jon Gonzo]

I didn't hear one person complaining about Noel Thorpe's D last season in Ottawa or any season he's been a DCO in the CFL. Ottawa's Defense was strong last year other than being on the field for too long, which is always a problem. Thorpe would be a fine addition. The Argos have tried to hire him before, if I recall. Personally, I am hoping for lots of experience around this young head coach because at times he'll be needing it. Call them GOB's if you want; I'll call them CFL experienced.

[AngeloV]

Sorry to offend you, sir.

I wish the Argos coulda re-hired that genius Scotty M to their staff; but not that Tom Clements guy - very over-rated CFL QB ;o)

Difference being, I don't say that in every one of my posts.

[AngeloV]

I didn't hear one person complaining about Noel Thorpe's D last season in Ottawa or any season he's been a DCO in the CFL. Ottawa's Defense was strong last year other than being on the field for too long, which is always a problem. Thorpe would be a fine addition. The Argos have tried to hire him before, if I recall. Personally, I am hoping for lots of experience around this young head coach because at times he'll be needing it. Call them GOB's if you want; I'll call them CFL experienced.

Couldn't agree more.

[KCargosfan]

I didn't hear one person complaining about Noel Thorpe's D last season in Ottawa or any season he's been a DCO in the CFL. Ottawa's Defense was strong last year other than being on the field for too long, which is always a problem. Thorpe would be a fine addition. The Argos have tried to hire him before, if I recall. Personally, I am hoping for lots of experience around this young head coach because at times he'll be needing it. Call them GOB's if you want; I'll call them CFL experienced.

Ottawa's issue was a horrific offense with horrific quarterback play.

Say what you want about Trevor Harris, but the RBs were stupid not to match or outbid Edmonton to keep him (allegedly the difference was only around $15K between the two teams, which makes it even more dumb). That basically assured themselves of going from being an 8-10 win team, to being the worst team in the league. All because of $15-20K.

[argolio]

I'm counting Touchdowns Thrown or Rushed. 3 times MBT scored 0. Let that sink in. In 3 CFL Games where weather was Not a factor he threw or rushed for 0 TDs.

The fact that you have to argue over a single Field Goal really says it all.

So three out of 16 for MBT in games where he threw at least one pass. Using your logic, Franklin was not a factor in three out of the seven games where he threw a pass. One of those ratios is far better than the other.

And whatever you want to say about MBT, he still wasn't the one who put up a nothing-burger in what should have been a showcase game for Franklin against a bad B.C. team. Must have been bad weather in the dome that night.