Week 6 Game Thread - Labour Day re-match (Sep 10) - Tiger-Cats @ Argonauts

**Wobbler** · 09-08-2021, 11:27 AM

With the short week, this game is creeping up quickly! Hopefully everyone learned some valuable lessons on Monday and will put that education to good use on Friday.

**ArgofanIan** · 09-09-2021, 03:12 PM

Friday is real good for me ... lookin forward to the game... but hope next year if we do back to back.... would be nice to do Saturday afternoon game to accommodate 905's and anyone coming from Hamilton. Also helps tail gaters.

**AngeloV** · 09-09-2021, 04:13 PM

Braverman (1 game), Blake and Butler (each 6 game) out for the Argos. Collins returns and Brissett starts in Braverman's spot at SB with Hagerty getting the start at safety, Nicastro at Center and Richards at LG. Llevi Noel also on the 1 game.
For the Ti-Cats, no Speedy B or Ciante Evans.

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**Argo57** · 09-09-2021, 04:35 PM

Brisett is an upgrade over Braverman IMO.

**OV Argo** · 09-09-2021, 04:44 PM

Looking forward to see what rookie Hagerty has at safety, him knowing he's the starter; and I'm actually stunned that the Argos are going with him as the starter (we shall see come game time though), when a vet proven D player like McCoil could probably play there; Young and the coaching staff must see good things from the kid - not sure he did much last game when he got in, but Butler hadn't been doing much out of safety either; and speaking of doing much - what about DE pass rush ? - Charleston Hughes, plus 2 guys with NFL resumes (Ray & Harold) haven't done much either (Robbie Smith looks like the best DE so far, IMO); is C. Law really injured and unable to play ?

**AngeloV** · 09-09-2021, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

but Butler hadn't been doing much out of safety either;

I have to disagree here. Butler has been excellent back there.

**OV Argo** · 09-09-2021, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

I have to disagree here. Butler has been excellent back there.

Butler is a real pro vet - with lots of CFL AND NFL experience; but thru 4 games this year he has 12 tackles with zeroes in other play-making stats like INTs, forced or recovered fumbles or sacks (not sure if he has any knock-downs ? - not that i have noticed); I just expect a lot more out of a safety - though safety in the CFL now is not like it used to be as a hard-hitter / ball-hawk type - maybe they expect the guy to just be a cover guy more now? Not an easy position to learn as a real impact play-maker perhaps (especially for American guys to which it is a new position)? Still like Pruneau with Ottawa; Adeleke with the Ticats and Metchie is coming on for the Stamps; Bummers' Alexander (who i thought looked lost last year when they put him there) seems to be really coming on and learning the job - some big hits and nose for the ball (2 picks last game). We'll see if Hagerty gets all the reps and how he looks if he does ? A 6th round draft pick getting a shot to start as a rookie ? (6-3, 200 size pretty nice for a safety)

**Argo57** · 09-09-2021, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

Butler is a real pro vet - with lots of CFL AND NFL experience; but thru 4 games this year he has 12 tackles with zeroes in other play-making stats like INTs, forced or recovered fumbles or sacks (not sure if he has any knock-downs ? - not that i have noticed); I just expect a lot more out of a safety - though safety in the CFL now is not like it used to be as a hard-hitter / ball-hawk type - maybe they expect the guy to just be a cover guy more now? Not an easy position to learn as a real impact play-maker perhaps (especially for American guys to which it is a new position)? Still like Pruneau with Ottawa; Adeleke with the Ticats and Metchie is coming on for the Stamps; Bummers' Alexander (who i thought looked lost last year when they put him there) seems to be really coming on and learning the job - some big hits and nose for the ball (2 picks last game). We'll see if Hagerty gets all the reps and how he looks if he does ? A 6th round draft pick getting a shot to start as a rookie ? (6-3, 200 size pretty nice for a safety)

I think Butler has been very solid at safety.
Hard for Shane Ray to do much from the 6 game, I’ll reserve judgement until he gets a few games under his belt.

**AngeloV** · 09-09-2021, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

Butler is a real pro vet - with lots of CFL AND NFL experience; but thru 4 games this year he has 12 tackles with zeroes in other play-making stats like INTs, forced or recovered fumbles or sacks (not sure if he has any knock-downs ? - not that i have noticed); I just expect a lot more out of a safety - though safety in the CFL now is not like it used to be as a hard-hitter / ball-hawk type - maybe they expect the guy to just be a cover guy more now? Not an easy position to learn as a real impact play-maker perhaps (especially for American guys to which it is a new position)? Still like Pruneau with Ottawa; Adeleke with the Ticats and Metchie is coming on for the Stamps; Bummers' Alexander (who i thought looked lost last year when they put him there) seems to be really coming on and learning the job - some big hits and nose for the ball (2 picks last game). We'll see if Hagerty gets all the reps and how he looks if he does ? A 6th round draft pick getting a shot to start as a rookie ? (6-3, 200 size pretty nice for a safety)

Safety isn't played the way it used to be. No longer is a safety just sitting in the middle of the field deep waiting to through big hits. There is a lot more rotation now based on overloads and motion. Of the ones you mentioned, Alexander and Adeleke are probably the best of the bunch, and I was no big fan of Butler before, but he was outstanding in the home game against Winnipeg. Obviously I can't comment as much on the games I watched on TV, but he changed my opinion of him big time.

**Wobbler** · 09-09-2021, 10:06 PM

Exciting: a chance to see our O-Line of the future play together.

Not exciting: having 11 guys on the 6 game IR after week 5. Not an ideal category in which to lead the league.

**OV Argo** · 09-09-2021, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Argo57

I think Butler has been very solid at safety.
Hard for Shane Ray to do much from the 6 game, I’ll reserve judgement until he gets a few games under his belt.

The TC "unblockable" Ray played in game one - not sure he did zip

**OV Argo** · 09-09-2021, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Safety isn't played the way it used to be. No longer is a safety just sitting in the middle of the field deep waiting to through big hits. There is a lot more rotation now based on overloads and motion. Of the ones you mentioned, Alexander and Adeleke are probably the best of the bunch, and I was no big fan of Butler before, but he was outstanding in the home game against Winnipeg. Obviously I can't comment as much on the games I watched on TV, but he changed my opinion of him big time.

That's the choice of the current clique of CFL deep thinkers; not the way I would use a safety; the Bummers used a lot of true 3 linebacker look the last couple of games (i.e. not an extra DB / lightweight cover guy at S-OLB all the time)

**Shatto** · 09-09-2021, 11:23 PM

Colquhoun and Boateng are experienced CB's, so it is a bit of a surprise that neither of these Canadians are starting at CB, in order to release one of the American DB's to play safety. The coaches must have seen something in Hagerty to start him at safety, however he is a raw rookie. We can expect Hamilton will try to exploit his inexperience.

Hughes is listed as questionable for the game. If he can't play, it would be nice to see Smith start at DE. IMO he has been the best DE anyway.

The team dressed speedster Jeanpierre for the last game but did not give him a shot as a returner. This week Worthy is dressed. Sure hope we get to see him returning punts and kicks.

Cross seems to be a forgotten player this year. Would be great to see him utilized more on offence.

**Wobbler** · 09-10-2021, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by OV Argo

I'm actually stunned that the Argos are going with Hagerty as the starter (we shall see come game time though)

Me too. Hopefully this is more an expression of confidence in Hagerty rather than an indictment of Colquhuon.

**ArgofanIan** · 09-10-2021, 07:59 AM

Perfect weather for the rematch !!!. Should be great atmosphere with ticats fans in town. I am good with a QB switch if offence is sluggish. Go ARRGOS !!!!

**paulwoods13** · 09-10-2021, 08:24 AM

I'll bet Colquhoun and/or Boateng play more snaps than Hagerty. They will move a corner to safety and one of the NATs will slide in there. Depth charts are almost never 100% accurate.

**cfl-cis fan** · 09-10-2021, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Shatto

Colquhoun and Boateng are experienced CB's, so it is a bit of a surprise that neither of these Canadians are starting at CB, in order to release one of the American DB's to play safety. The coaches must have seen something in Hagerty to start him at safety, however he is a raw rookie. We can expect Hamilton will try to exploit his inexperience.

Hughes is listed as questionable for the game. If he can't play, it would be nice to see Smith start at DE. IMO he has been the best DE anyway.

The team dressed speedster Jeanpierre for the last game but did not give him a shot as a returner. This week Worthy is dressed. Sure hope we get to see him returning punts and kicks.

Cross seems to be a forgotten player this year. Would be great to see him utilized more on offence.

Coaching staff brought their own players so Cross will be the forgotten player, unfortunate. He still gets to block sometimes and play specials. Waste

**Will** · 09-10-2021, 01:45 PM

I'm going to feel real down if we lose.

**jerrym** · 09-10-2021, 02:06 PM

Argo and Hamilton injury reports for today's game:

Receiver Brandon Banks will not play this week, as he is dealing with a rib injury and Ticats’ d-lineman Ted Laurent (knee) is questionable.

Argos’ d-lineman Charleston Hughes is questionable with a knee injury and receivers Llevi Noel and Daniel Braverman will also miss Friday’s game.

HAMILTON TIGER-CATS			PRACTICE DAY
Player Name	Position	Injury	WED	THURS	FRI	Game Status
Tunde Adeleke	DB	Hamstring	Limited			Questionable
Brandon Banks	WR	Ribs	Limited			Out
Jake Burt	TE	Quad	DNP			Out
Malik Carney	DL	Healthy Scratch	Full			Out
Mike Daly	DB	Neck	Limited			Out
Ciante Evans	DB	Head	DNP			Out
Don Jackson	RB	Healthy scratch	Full			Out
Ted Laurent	DL	Knee	Limited			Questionable
Desmond Lawrence	DB	Hamstring	Limited			Out
Jeremiah Masoli	QB	Ribs	Limited			Out
Channing Stribling	DB	Hamstring	Full
Coulter Woodmansey	OL	Healthy Scratch	Full

TORONTO ARGONAUTS			PRACTICE DAY
Player name	Position	Injury	Mon	Tue	Wed	Game status
Blake, Philip	OL	Hamstring				Out
Braverman, Daniel	WR	Ankle				Out
Butler, Crezdon	DB	Head				Out
Collins, Ricky	WR	Covid-19 protocol				–
Hughes, Charleston	DL	Knee				Questionable
Noel, Llevi	WR	Hamstring				Out