Is Damian Cox the Worst?

**paulwoods13** · 12-02-2021, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Scooter McCray

It had to start somewhere. I think the media should come to grips with the fact the NFL is not coming to Toronto. No individual in Canada is going to front $2 Billion for a team and stadium with a 100 year ROI. MLSE can't even do that. Not to mention the negative PR the NFL would have for killing a football league in the only other country on Earth playing high level professional football. That would be the opposite of growing the game.

Once the media grasp this, they can go about embracing what they have in the CFL and Argos and cover them as they do other teams and leagues. MLSE, Bell Rogers, others could actually make some money doing so if they applied themselves. I don't expect all journalists and media personalities to grasp that a 100 year ROI is not feasible but the big corporations who are their bosses should.

I don't buy the notion that there would be a significant PR backlash against the NFL if it were to put a team to Toronto. There would be some anti-NFL sentiment in the West, but nothing that would damage the NFL materially. And many, many people in southern Ontario would be overjoyed to have an NFL team in town -- far, far more (sadly) than would be distraught to lose the CFL team in Toronto.

**Scooter McCray** · 12-02-2021, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

I don't buy the notion that there would be a significant PR backlash against the NFL if it were to put a team to Toronto. There would be some anti-NFL sentiment in the West, but nothing that would damage the NFL materially. And many, many people in southern Ontario would be overjoyed to have an NFL team in town -- far, far more (sadly) than would be distraught to lose the CFL team in Toronto.

I'm thinking moreso in football circles. The MFL wants to grow the game internationally, but in coming to Toronto, they would essentially kill the only other professional league. It's just a bad look and they can hold anywhere else....Mexico, UK, Japan, Europe.
Like I was saying it's not going to happen. The economics don't make sense for an individual Canadian owner or even a corporate one now. In addition, they want to protect Buffalo market which already draws southern Ontario cash. And the NFL already has captured Canadian interest, and ticket buyers. Seattle, Minnesota, Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Green Bay and some of the northeast teams get Canadian fans regularly. They already have our market. Placing a team in Toronto doesn't really move the needle much for them versus other markets.

**paulwoods13** · 12-02-2021, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Scooter McCray

They already have our market. Placing a team in Toronto doesn't really move the needle much for them versus other markets.

I agree 100% with this. There is little or no marginal advantage to be had for the NFL as a result of expanding into this market.

**Scooter McCray** · 12-02-2021, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

I agree 100% with this. There is little or no marginal advantage to be had for the NFL as a result of expanding into this market.

It would be great if the Toronto centric media could fast forward to understanding all of this and embrace what they have in the Argos and the CFL, and continue to appreciate what the NFL is. Football is entertaining. Nobody ever said pick one or the other. Appreciate both. Both have rich histories, with plenty of excitement. Once they can be honest with themselves about these things, media stop being part of the problem.

**argolio** · 12-02-2021, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Scooter McCray

His father as well did sports talk. I remember calling disagreeing with some negative comments he had about CFL in Toronto back in the early 2000s. Bryan at least doesn't trash the Argos. He just doesn't talk much about them.

Bryan Hayes has a fixation with "big four" American sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL), which is ironic since most national sports talk shows down south almost entirely ignore hockey and are increasingly ignoring baseball.

**matthew** · 12-02-2021, 01:38 PM

And cudos for MLB showing fans the finger again with a lockout.

Originally Posted by Shatto

Accepting that this an old hobby horse of mine but why is there never media mention of MLSE looking to reduce losses by selling off TFC? The total salary costs are 3 to 4 times that of the Argos. The Canadian TV numbers are miniscule and this year their attendance has been even worse than the Argos.

MLSE could sell TFC to an American investor who could move the club to an American city. At the present inflated price (Forbes), MLSE could realize a huge profit on their investment and rid themselves of a money losing investment.

It has been rumoured that Rogers is looking to divest themselves of part or all of the Blue Jays to assist funding their buy out of Shaw. Perhaps the money from the sale of TFC could provide MLSE with the funds to purchase part or all of the Blue Jays. Owning the Blue Jays instead of TFC is a winner.

Just a thought.

**Scooter McCray** · 12-02-2021, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by matthew

And cudos for MLB showing fans the finger again with a lockout.

Contempt for the audience. Thats what killed Dennis Days career. - Phil Hartman as Frank Sinatra on SNL

**AngeloV** · 12-02-2021, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by argolio

Bryan Hayes has a fixation with "big four" American sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL), which is ironic since most national sports talk shows down south almost entirely ignore hockey and are increasingly ignoring baseball.

It’s pretty sad when a Rogers show has more Argos content than a TSN show. Tim and Friends today had Justin Dunk to talk about the upcoming games, then Pinball was on. Donovan Bennett was the guest host today, but Tim regularly has Dunk on to talk CFL. Unlike Hayes, not too cool for the room.
Pinball also indicated that they have already sold 20,000 tickets for the game. Going to be an awesome atmosphere.

**Scooter McCray** · 12-02-2021, 08:43 PM