Seven teams to go on strike Sunday after CFL, CFLPA unable to reach agreement

[Mocha]

The issue of the ratio is a controversial topic. Regardless, of what the league says, reducing the number of starting Canadians to six and replacing the seventh with an American veteran, does reduce the Canadian content, perhaps not greatly but it still does. If the league had added an extra Canadian to the total roster, it might have made the change a little more palatable.

Hopefully, saner heads will prevail and the season can proceed as planned.

I could go for something like that . . . but maybe I'd push for adding two Nationals to the roster for every National starter removed from the ratio. Or just add one National QB.

[paulwoods13]

However, if Dunk's twitter interaction with Naylor from yesterday is any indication, there is tension brewing between 3Down and Naylor/Lalji ("TSN").

The only interaction I saw was Dunk essentially accusing Naylor of reporting something without crediting Hodge as the source. I can guarantee Hodge was NOT the source of Naylor's report. Hodge might well have obtained similar info earlier than Naylor did (which I think is why Dunk was agitating about it), but Naylor would not report something without sources other than another journalist. Something we could not always say about 3DN, although it has gotten better at crediting the source of info -- much of which is in fact generated elsewhere, with 3DN being just an aggregator. It's rich for Dunk to be accusing others of failing to credit scoops, since 3DN has a long and inglorious history of cribbing others' work.

[paulwoods13]

Barnes is a journalist.Naylor and Lalji are Bell mouthpieces.

Was Naylor also a mouthpiece when he worked for the Globe and Mail or CBC, or is this a recent development in his career?

[OV Argo]

You're an idiot. I haven't seen Naylor (who was a journalist long before he worked at TSN) take any sides in this. Neither has Lalji.

You're good at hurling insults at posters who offend your self-righteous notions about the CFL.

Naylor may be the greatest "journalist" since the invention of the printing press; when it comes to CFL knowledge or having anything original or football smart to say about the game / league - he is a totally lost little cliche puppet and GOB apologist - doing his job like a good little boy though.

[OV Argo]

The issue of the ratio is a controversial topic. Regardless, of what the league says, reducing the number of starting Canadians to six and replacing the seventh with an American veteran, does reduce the Canadian content, perhaps not greatly but it still does. If the league had added an extra Canadian to the total roster, it might have made the change a little more palatable.

Hopefully, saner heads will prevail and the season can proceed as planned.

And this site here - in the much maligned Argo fandom area code - mostly has posters who have a lot of respect for Canadian football talent and the value of a ratio in the CFL (and ratios exist in all sort of other pro sports around the globe). Yet go to some other CFL fan forums and they are oozing with internet football experts/ NFL fan-boys who have been led to believe Canadians are all inferior at football, that the ratio is evil (small c moron inspired - Canadians soooo over-paid), and that the CFL would be so much better if only the Americans already in charge of the league could get more of their guys in place and less Canadian content.

Very strange or interesting IMO; I thought it could have been the other way around with Toronto people more prone to bashing things Canadian; but seems this site is mostly for CFL die-hards who have a lot of respect for Canadian football, while some other CFL forums feature a lot of more casual fans who have been sold a very sick bill of goods about the CFL or Canadian talent; might be a sign of the internet times / social media age. A lot of these clowns have no clue or understanding of CFL history (where CFL teams featured 10 or more starting Canadians and a clear majority of Canadians on rosters), and I guess think Americans running the CFL is A-Ok ???

[argolio]

You're good at hurling insults at posters who offend your self-righteous notions about the CFL.

Naylor may be the greatest "journalist" since the invention of the printing press; when it comes to CFL knowledge or having anything original or football smart to say about the game / league - he is a totally lost little cliche puppet and GOB apologist - doing his job like a good little boy though.

Fortunately you didn't just reply to his insult with any insults or cliches!

I ask again, what exactly did Naylor say for you to call him, for all intents and purposes, an idiot? There are tons of easily accessible comments from him on twitter and elsewhere. He must have some integrity for the Canadian Football Hall of Fame to induct him. Or has the Hall somehow been tainted by the GOB?

[Skinny G]

Those who call them water boys, apologists and dupes only discredit themselves.

There was no mention of Dan Barnes being called a CFL water boy, as you implied in an earlier post. Have no issues with him as a journalist. May not always agree with him, but he definitely tries to gather more information when he can when he is looking into things.


Have met both Lalji and Naylor (I'm sure a lot of us have met Naylor at various events), nothing personal, good guys. However, in recent years, they clearly present themselves by optics to be the go to spokespeople for the league, hence the term water boy (not meant in a derogatory manner, but that they are essentially the league's media department now). They no longer truly go into any sort of deeper analysis when presenting information and question the league as Brian Williams or Gary Lawless did. They used to, but not really the case anymore.


Echoing the post by ArgoRavi, through this process, they were engaging in speculation because they have been quite incorrect on numerous things and they have been quick to put out certain narratives - ie. that the ratio is not an issue, then trying to create a divide within the players by saying it was the Canadians that voted down the proposal. Ballsy challenged Lalji on this yesterday, and Lalji said he heard from 11 Americans (out of hundreds of players), and that's what his post was based on. Looking back, the narratives they are putting out align to what the league and Ambrosie (and maybe even Manning) are wanting to be put out there in the media.


Regarding announcements by Ambrosie, we all see that he's not holding an open media session like other commissioners have, but rather staying in a protected environment. Ballsy came out and said he's reached out to have Ambrosie come on his show so he can bring forward questions, but Ambrosie has declined to come on. They are making a huge deal out of lowering the ratio, yet still nothing on where the league's business plan and overall strategy is.


As for saying those that critique them are discrediting themselves, how is that any different from critiquing players, coaches, GMs? I guess that means current players like Arbuckle and Brett Lauther, former players like Duane Forde and Davis Sanchez, media like Ballsy, and even their TSN counterpart Glen Suiter are all discrediting themselves for calling out various comments and points made by Naylor/Lalji around CBA, Draft, and other items?


Basically, all fans really want is that both sides (the league/owners & players) are held accountable and promoted for positive items and also challenged/questioned accordingly which is what you get with media for the NFL, NBA, etc.. This unfortunately is no longer the case with TSN, at least when it comes to the CFL.

[AngeloV]

You're good at hurling insults at posters who offend your self-righteous notions about the CFL.

Naylor may be the greatest "journalist" since the invention of the printing press; when it comes to CFL knowledge or having anything original or football smart to say about the game / league - he is a totally lost little cliche puppet and GOB apologist - doing his job like a good little boy though.

Pot, meet kettle.
Only difference is I do it to people that can respond. You throw your insults at people that do not read this forum. Pretty cowardly if you ask me. I also call out people on twitter such as I did with James Wilder. I give the people I insult an opportunity to retort.

[paulwoods13]

As for saying those that critique them are discrediting themselves, how is that any different from critiquing players, coaches, GMs? I guess that means current players like Arbuckle and Brett Lauther, former players like Duane Forde and Davis Sanchez, media like Ballsy, and even their TSN counterpart Glen Suiter are all discrediting themselves for calling out various comments and points made by Naylor/Lalji around CBA, Draft, and other items?

"How is that any different?" Let us know the next time any of the individuals you mentioned publicly call anyone a water boy, a dupe or a shill. I don't consider name-calling a "critique." And yes, using such terms discredits the name caller.

And BTW, Ballsy? You don't trust Lalji or Naylor, yet you trust Ballsy?

[Skinny G]

"How is that any different?" Let us know the next time any of the individuals you mentioned publicly call anyone a water boy, a dupe or a shill. I don't consider name-calling a "critique." And yes, using such terms discredits the name caller.

And BTW, Ballsy? You don't trust Lalji or Naylor, yet you trust Ballsy?

Don't put words in people's mouths, nowhere were the terms "dupe" or "shill" used. Clarity and context was provided.


Also, you're picking and choosing. You criticize Dunk and now Ballsy, but what about Suiter, Forde, Sanchez that have also called them out. Clearly you can critique people, but it's not cool for others too?


Anyways, you're missing the point, they are not doing analysis and challenging both sides. Again, where was the comment about not trusting Naylor or Lalji. The point was that they have become spokespeople for the league. This was not the case in the past.


Let me quote you "if you choose to take it that way, that's your choice"

[Skinny G]

Per John Hodge, looks like there is a new tentative agreement

https://3downnation.com/2022/05/26/c...ing-agreement/

[paulwoods13]

Don't put words in people's mouths, nowhere were the terms "dupe" or "shill" used. Clarity and context was provided.

My mistake re shill (seen it so many times before, I guess, that it just rolls off the tongue). But dupe, apologist, trained seal and gutless have all been used in this thread, some more than once. What is the clarity and context that warrants such name-calling?

For the record, the only pejorative you used was water boy, which I suggested was (like dupe and apologist) a discredit to those using such words. I stand by my unrequited desire for people to debate without name-calling (albeit water boy is arguably less insulting than those other words).

Also, you're picking and choosing. You criticize Dunk and now Ballsy, but what about Suiter, Forde, Sanchez that have also called them out. Clearly you can critique people, but it's not cool for others too?

I explained myself re Dunk. I didn't explain myself re Ballsy, so I retract that statement. I have not seen anything Suitor, Forde or Sanchez have said or tweeted lately, so I have no idea whether or not they have called anybody out. But I'd be willing to bet none of them called Naylor and Lalji (or anyone else) dupes, apologists, gutless or water boys.

If people believe Naylor and Lalji are now just spokespersons for the league, and/or don't seek or report information and perspective from players or the PA, that's fine. I happen to disagree with such a view.

[argolio]

Players are apparently voting on this within the hour. Fingers crossed.

[paulwoods13]

The last vote did not go as anyone expected, so this is going to keep us in suspense for a bit, I imagine.

[OV Argo]

Media "experts" up here often treat Canadian football (the game/rules & Canadian talent) like $hite with disrespect or lack of detailed knowledge or plain ignorance, and then it's surprising to some on a CFL fan forum that they get called out or even name called for it ??? Everybody like to hear the same tired, hackneyed cliches spewed about Canadian football players ?

Who ya gonna call? - Ghostbusters? MLSE ? Marty York ? ;o)

[SkalbaniasGhost]

Don't put words in people's mouths, nowhere were the terms "dupe" or "shill" used. Clarity and context was provided.


Also, you're picking and choosing. You criticize Dunk and now Ballsy, but what about Suiter, Forde, Sanchez that have also called them out. Clearly you can critique people, but it's not cool for others too?


Anyways, you're missing the point, they are not doing analysis and challenging both sides. Again, where was the comment about not trusting Naylor or Lalji. The point was that they have become spokespeople for the league. This was not the case in the past.


Let me quote you "if you choose to take it that way, that's your choice"

Yes!

[SkalbaniasGhost]

Was Naylor also a mouthpiece when he worked for the Globe and Mail or CBC, or is this a recent development in his career?

It's a recent development.Chris O'Leary works for the league office.His previous employment with the Edmonton Journal or Toronto Star does not affect his work now.
It's about messaging.

[AngeloV]

Everybody like to hear the same tired, hackneyed cliches spewed about Canadian football players ?

;o)

That is rich coming from someone that basically posts the same thing over and over again every single time.

[Skinny G]

The CFLPA has approved the deal.

https://twitter.com/CFLPA/status/153...875521/photo/1

[OV Argo]

Shomari Williams taking to Twitter to defend Canadian football talent, and question the "TSN narrative" (?) that disrespects Canadian players and good ole "depth" there? Glad to see some willing to speak out on that side; so sick of all the ignorance on the other side.