Game 1 Thread - June 16, 2022 - Montreal Alouettes at Toronto Argonauts

[Rich]

Kelly should not be throwing the ball on the sidelines as if he's going in any minute now.

I loved watching Kelly warm up, it got me dreaming about what these Argos could look like if they had top-level quarterbacking.

[OV Argo]

Hoping the confidence in the run game with Harris & Adeboboye (throw in the odd jet sweep or counter to Banks or another receiver as well) continues.

CFL teams with the closest play- call selection towards balance ( % pass plays to run play calls - and taking out QB runs , which can be short yardage sneaks or pass plays that evolve to forced runs) ... have won every game this CFL season so far.


And the trend continues - every game this season so far. CFL OCs - too clueless to take note ?

[ArgoGabe22]

I loved watching Kelly warm up, it got me dreaming about what these Argos could look like if they had top-level quarterbacking.

Give him 5 weeks. He'll be starting by then.

[paulwoods13]

Give him 5 weeks. He'll be starting by then.

If he is, it will mean the Argos are hoping for something that by my quick estimation has happened only twice in the past 50 years: have a first-year quarterback with immediate and sustainable success. The only two I have come up with are Ricky Ray in 2002 and Tom Clements in 1975 (or, I suppose, the twin-QB system of Clements and Condredge Holloway). J.C. Watts took the Rough Riders to the Grey Cup game as a rookie in 1981, but they were a 5-11 team that got to the big game mostly because the East was the dumpster fire of all time. Maybe I have missed someone else, but no one comes to mind immediately. So either it's extremely unlikely to happen, or the coin is bound to finally flip the other way for once. (If this QB switch were to happen, which I'll believe only when I see it.)

[ArgoGabe22]

So either it's extremely unlikely to happen, or the coin is bound to finally flip the other way for once. (If this QB switch were to happen, which I'll believe only when I see it.)

I think the league is trending towards pulling their starters much earlier than they used to. Alouettes did with Adams, Esks with Arbuckle, and I sure hope the Stamps yank BLM. Although, I do think it is unlikely for Dinwiddie to favour Kelly over MBT, but you know how it is. The backup QB is the always the most popular player. Unless your backup is David Watford.

[OV Argo]

If he is, it will mean the Argos are hoping for something that by my quick estimation has happened only twice in the past 50 years: have a first-year quarterback with immediate and sustainable success. The only two I have come up with are Ricky Ray in 2002 and Tom Clements in 1975 (or, I suppose, the twin-QB system of Clements and Condredge Holloway). J.C. Watts took the Rough Riders to the Grey Cup game as a rookie in 1981, but they were a 5-11 team that got to the big game mostly because the East was the dumpster fire of all time. Maybe I have missed someone else, but no one comes to mind immediately. So either it's extremely unlikely to happen, or the coin is bound to finally flip the other way for once. (If this QB switch were to happen, which I'll believe only when I see it.)

Chuck Ealey.

[paulwoods13]

Chuck Ealey.

Right, good catch. Didn't end up a star, but did get his team to the championship as a true rookie. Unheard of these days (and of course Kelly has some NFL experience).

[paulwoods13]

I think the league is trending towards pulling their starters much earlier than they used to. Alouettes did with Adams, Esks with Arbuckle, and I sure hope the Stamps yank BLM. Although, I do think it is unlikely for Dinwiddie to favour Kelly over MBT, but you know how it is. The backup QB is the always the most popular player. Unless your backup is David Watford.

All true, although I think tonight's game now establishes that Dickenson ain't demoting Bo any time soon.

[AngeloV]

If he is, it will mean the Argos are hoping for something that by my quick estimation has happened only twice in the past 50 years: have a first-year quarterback with immediate and sustainable success. The only two I have come up with are Ricky Ray in 2002 and Tom Clements in 1975 (or, I suppose, the twin-QB system of Clements and Condredge Holloway). J.C. Watts took the Rough Riders to the Grey Cup game as a rookie in 1981, but they were a 5-11 team that got to the big game mostly because the East was the dumpster fire of all time. Maybe I have missed someone else, but no one comes to mind immediately. So either it's extremely unlikely to happen, or the coin is bound to finally flip the other way for once. (If this QB switch were to happen, which I'll believe only when I see it.)

Sean Salisbury

[Rich]

I think the league is trending towards pulling their starters much earlier than they used to. Alouettes did with Adams, Esks with Arbuckle, and I sure hope the Stamps yank BLM. Although, I do think it is unlikely for Dinwiddie to favour Kelly over MBT, but you know how it is. The backup QB is the always the most popular player. Unless your backup is David Watford.

Dinwiddie wasnt afraid to pull the plug on his No. 1 QB mid-season last year, a pretty ballsy move for a rookie coach.

I get the sense coach is growing frustrated with Mac. In the post game interview he suggested Mac needs to be more consistent with his accuracy, but he also said that Mac wasnt reading the defences properly, wasnt going through his progressions right and was predetermining where his passes were going.

I was a bit surprised he would say that. Clearly he isnt thrilled with his No. 1 guy at the moment. I would not be shocked if Kelly started a game sometime this season. And I wouldnt be surprised if coach asked Kelly to warm up to try and light a fire under that loveable lug Bethel-Thompson.

[ArgoRavi]

Sean Salisbury

Thanks for reminding me of that nightmare 1988 East Final, AV.

[paulwoods13]

Sean Salisbury

I'd have to go back and check, but I feel like that one was very short-lived, i.e. he caught lightning in a bottle for four or five games, something like that.

[OV Argo]

I'd have to go back and check, but I feel like that one was very short-lived, i.e. he caught lightning in a bottle for four or five games, something like that.

Salisbury was a CFL rookie with the Bombers in 88 (took over the starter later in the season?) , but he came up with a bit of NFL experience; he played one more CFL season 89 - where he had over 4000 passing yards but an under 50% completion rate; before heading back to the NFL. Still though, a rookie QB who won the GC game (like Chuck Ealey).

[Will]

Salisbury was a CFL rookie with the Bombers in 88 (took over the starter later in the season?) , but he came up with a bit of NFL experience; he played one more CFL season 89 - where he had over 4000 passing yards but an under 50% completion rate; before heading back to the NFL. Still though, a rookie QB who won the GC game (like Chuck Ealey).

Don't remind people of that.

[AngeloV]

Thanks for reminding me of that nightmare 1988 East Final, AV.

Trust me, it made me sick to relive it too.

[tennyis]

He led the Argos to a first place finish last year and not far from a Grey Cup game appearance so I can't wait to see MBT's continued progression as a starting QB.

I don’t know about you but I’ve seen enough. Is the general consensus that he can still be our QB?

[OV Argo]

I don’t know about you but I’ve seen enough. Is the general consensus that he can still be our QB?

He's a veteran QB who throws some good passes; and also plays poorly often IMO; confidence to go far with him and win a GC ? = i have basically none.

[ArgoRavi]

I don’t know about you but I’ve seen enough. Is the general consensus that he can still be our QB?

We are only two games into this season and the Argos are 1-1 so I am not sure what has changed over the past two weeks.

[argolio]

We are only two games into this season and the Argos are 1-1 so I am not sure what has changed over the past two weeks.

Getting blown out raises anxiety. You know how it goes.

[Rich]

We are only two games into this season and the Argos are 1-1 so I am not sure what has changed over the past two weeks.

I don’t think anything has changed over the past two weeks. He’s been making the same mistakes for five years.