2022-2023 Offseason Hopes and Transactions

[Argo57]

Very little use in the recent Argo offence anyhow; and if you want just a blocker, find a quick & accomplished O-lineman to play that spot a few plays a game.

In truth hasn’t been used much since Trestman was in Toronto.

[ArgoRavi]

In truth hasn’t been used much since Trestman was in Toronto.

Exactly. Trestman and Dinwiddie run different offences; in Trestman's offence, the fullback was used much more for pass catching while Dinwiddie uses a fullback primarily for blocking purposes. Both head coaches won Grey Cups although Dinwiddie has generally had more success than Trestman if you look at what each coach accomplished over two years.

[cfl-cis fan]

Exactly. Trestman and Dinwiddie run different offences; in Trestman's offence, the fullback was used much more for pass catching while Dinwiddie uses a fullback primarily for blocking purposes. Both head coaches won Grey Cups although Dinwiddie has generally had more success than Trestman if you look at what each coach accomplished over two years.

Agree with the facts, however the facts left out is the roster that was provided to both coaches, sorry but Dinwiddie was afforded more/better .........

[AngeloV]

Agree with the facts, however the facts left out is the roster that was provided to both coaches, sorry but Dinwiddie was afforded more/better .........

Argos had a good roster under Trestman. People say the QB is the most important position. Maybe not by me, but most regard the QB Trestman was given to be much better than what Dinwiddie had. I've said for a while, Trestman doesn't work well with young QB's. All his success has been with vets. Rich Gannon was the QB when he was OC with a Raiders team that may have won a SB if not for that stupid tuck rule. His success in Montreal came with AC and in Toronto with Ray. He sure didn't seem like a genius in developing James Franklin.

Trestman is very stubborn. Hell, how long did it take for him to switch from a well past his prime Whittaker at RB to switch to JWJ? Without that move, Argos aren't even in the conversation for the 2017 GC. He favours vet players to a fault.

[paulwoods13]

Shockingly, Chad Kelly is lobbying for another NFL shot.

https://twitter.com/Chadkelly_6/with_replies

You watch, we will end up with neither MBT nor Kelly in 2023.

[gilthethrill]

Shockingly, Chad Kelly is lobbying for another NFL shot.

https://twitter.com/Chadkelly_6/with_replies

You watch, we will end up with neither MBT nor Kelly in 2023.

Pretty pessimistic aren’t you Paul? Even if CK gets a workout or 2 I doubt any offers will come his way. I fully expect the 2023 Grey Cup defending Toronto Argos to be set at QB.

[paulwoods13]

Pretty pessimistic aren’t you Paul? Even if CK gets a workout or 2 I doubt any offers will come his way. I fully expect the 2023 Grey Cup defending Toronto Argos to be set at QB.

My pessimism is based on a belief that MBT will (unfortunately for fans and the org) choose to move on to other things in his life, and that Kelly is a loose cannon who thinks he's bigger and better than the CFL, despite the nice-sounding words he uttered post-Grey Cup. Guess we will see, and hope I'm wrong on both counts. But I am certainly not counting on Kelly.

[Shatto]

I must admit, on hearing Kelly's recent comments, it does appear he is anxious to have another opportunity to play in the NFL. Even if he doesn't eventually sign with an NFL team, he may not be available for training camp and preseason. The fact MBT did not announce his retirement after the season ended, gives me some hope he might contemplate returning for one more year. That might be clutching at straws but we should know his intentions in the next few weeks (hopefully)

If neither MBT or Kelly are available, the team would need to look at QB's who might be on the market. IMO that will likely come down to Evans and Fajardo. Evans has shown glimpses of being a 1st rate QB but personally, I would prefer Fajardo. Last year, Fajardo was injured which hampered his mobility and he played behind an inept OL. The Argos appear to have a sound OL, which would provide Fajardo far better protection than he got last year. A mobile Fajardo playing behind a solid OL might be a potential answer to the team's QB needs (Assuming neither MBT or Keely are available)

[ArgoRavi]

I must admit, on hearing Kelly's recent comments, it does appear he is anxious to have another opportunity to play in the NFL. Even if he doesn't eventually sign with an NFL team, he may not be available for training camp and preseason. The fact MBT did not announce his retirement after the season ended, gives me some hope he might contemplate returning for one more year. That might be clutching at straws but we should know his intentions in the next few weeks (hopefully)

If neither MBT or Kelly are available, the team would need to look at QB's who might be on the market. IMO that will likely come down to Evans and Fajardo. Evans has shown glimpses of being a 1st rate QB but personally, I would prefer Fajardo. Last year, Fajardo was injured which hampered his mobility and he played behind an inept OL. The Argos appear to have a sound OL, which would provide Fajardo far better protection than he got last year. A mobile Fajardo playing behind a solid OL might be a potential answer to the team's QB needs (Assuming neither MBT or Keely are available)

Kelly can want to play in the NFL all he wants but nobody down there is interested in him at this point. He is under contract to the Argos for the 2023 season and is expected to be at camp.

[ArgoRavi]

Shockingly, Chad Kelly is lobbying for another NFL shot.

https://twitter.com/Chadkelly_6/with_replies

You watch, we will end up with neither MBT nor Kelly in 2023.

Swag Kelly thinks that he is one of the best in the game but none of that matters as there is zero NFL interest in him. Unless he completely messes up this off-season - and hopefully that behaviour is behind him - he will be in camp with the Argos in 2023.

[Argo57]

Kelly can want to play in the NFL all he wants but nobody down there is interested in him at this point. He is under contract to the Argos for the 2023 season and is expected to be at camp.

I don’t see Kelly generating any NFL interest at this point given his past behaviour and age (almost 29 years old), that could change if he succeeds over a larger sample size.

[paulwoods13]

I must admit, on hearing Kelly's recent comments, it does appear he is anxious to have another opportunity to play in the NFL. Even if he doesn't eventually sign with an NFL team, he may not be available for training camp and preseason. The fact MBT did not announce his retirement after the season ended, gives me some hope he might contemplate returning for one more year. That might be clutching at straws but we should know his intentions in the next few weeks (hopefully)

If neither MBT or Kelly are available, the team would need to look at QB's who might be on the market. IMO that will likely come down to Evans and Fajardo. Evans has shown glimpses of being a 1st rate QB but personally, I would prefer Fajardo. Last year, Fajardo was injured which hampered his mobility and he played behind an inept OL. The Argos appear to have a sound OL, which would provide Fajardo far better protection than he got last year. A mobile Fajardo playing behind a solid OL might be a potential answer to the team's QB needs (Assuming neither MBT or Keely are available)

I'd take Evans over Fajardo in a heartbeat, if it came to that. I also believe Argos still need another offensive tackle. It's nice that Tate and Cage have re-signed, but counting on either to start seems like a stretch to me.

[paulwoods13]

I don’t see Kelly generating any NFL interest at this point given his past behaviour and age (almost 29 years old).

Both factors would work against him, but there are some pretty terrible QBs in that league, and he's Jim Kelly's blah blah blah. Flutie was quite a bit older when he went to the NFL, albeit that was 25 years ago. I don't think it's out of the question Kelly gets some interest down there. And I fully expect he's not as dedicated to the idea of being the Argos' QB as I'd like the Argos' QB to be.

[Argo57]

Both factors would work against him, but there are some pretty terrible QBs in that league, and he's Jim Kelly's blah blah blah. Flutie was quite a bit older when he went to the NFL, albeit that was 25 years ago. I don't think it's out of the question Kelly gets some interest down there. And I fully expect he's not as dedicated to the idea of being the Argos' QB as I'd like the Argos' QB to be.

The Flutie comparison is irrelevant IMO, he returned to the NFL after establishing Hall of Fame credentials in the CFL, Kelly on the other shows some promise but is very early in his CFL career.

[paulwoods13]

The Flutie comparison is irrelevant IMO, he returned to the NFL after establishing Hall of Fame credentials in the CFL, Kelly on the other shows some promise but is very early in his CFL career.

Not arguing with any of this, but that doesn't mean he's dedicated to being a CFL QB. And I'm willing to bet he is not. He's the one who tweeted in response to the Denver situation, after all.

[AngeloV]

I don't get this whole discussion. Every player wants to get a shot in the NFL. That is the nature of the CFL. Regarding Ke;;y being a loose cannon, can we give it a rest? People change. I am not going to worry about some bad choices he made years ago. Lighten up.

[ArgoRavi]

Not arguing with any of this, but that doesn't mean he's dedicated to being a CFL QB. And I'm willing to bet he is not. He's the one who tweeted in response to the Denver situation, after all.

I would compare Kelly with former Argos kicker Donald De La Haye. They're both trying to make big splashes on social media and, in De La Hayes' case, make a living out of that. I don't think Kelly is looking to make a living out of social media at this point but he is trying to make a name for himself on there. I also believe that Kelly is far more committed to the Argos than De La Haye ever was.

I am not a big fan of social media stars or influencers but I have come to understand that the younger generation sees social media very differently than people my age do and I really think that Kelly's bombast has as much to do with that as anything. I don't believe he has had even one NFL workout this off-season so I see the danger of losing him as being 0.0.

[Argo57]

I don't get this whole discussion. Every player wants to get a shot in the NFL. That is the nature of the CFL. Regarding Ke;;y being a loose cannon, can we give it a rest? People change. I am not going to worry about some bad choices he made years ago. Lighten up.

The NFL offers the biggest opportunity for notoriety and generational wealth, can’t blame any player who aspires to play there.

[gilthethrill]

In other Argo news, the team announced the signing of American Passcatcher A Aron Parker out of Rhode Island U.

The defending Grey Cup Champions also announced the re signing of Veteran Canadian LB/FB Brandon Calver. He will be returning to the club to help defend the Grey Cup in 2023.

[OV Argo]

Swag Kelly thinks that he is one of the best in the game but none of that matters as there is zero NFL interest in him. Unless he completely messes up this off-season - and hopefully that behaviour is behind him - he will be in camp with the Argos in 2023.

So, where could the Argos find another QB prospect or two who are not in NFL dream-land, have little to no connections or history down there, and who would be proud & happy to get a CFL opportunity, would work very hard to make the best of it, and would not be shooting their social media mouth off about taking the NFL by storm?