Training Camp News & Tidbits

[gilthethrill]

Glad we didn’t bother Angelo, 4:00pm on Victoria Day didn’t excite me plus factor in the drive to and from we couldn’t be bothered.
Diehard fan as most on here are but they really have no clue how not to alienate their fan base.

I contemplated attending from Stratford but so glad I didn’t. Feel for those faithful that made the long trip for basically nothing. Each year I expect that maybe things will improve for those who still love this team (yes Gabe what ever happened to Fan Day) but it seems the lack of effort gets worse each offseason.

[Argo57]

I contemplated attending from Stratford but so glad I didn’t. Feel for those faithful that made the long trip for basically nothing. Each year I expect that maybe things will improve for those who still love this team (yes Gabe what ever happened to Fan Day) but it seems the lack of effort gets worse each offseason.

It really is a shame Dean, diehards showing the interest to travel to this scrimmage for nothing?
Sucks to say this but the Tiger Cats are head and shoulders ahead of the Argonauts when it comes to staying engaged with their fans, their events are very well advertised, organized and very well attended.

["Issues"Mcgee]

There is absolutely no excuse to mess up the times on this today. Hour+ drive for half hour of scrimmage. Love this team, but they really are their own worst enemy.

You guys spent a holiday traveling to Guelph to see the scrimmage only to arrive late because they changed the time without telling anyone?

If that's the case you guys deserve an apology, at the very least. That's not fair.

[gilthethrill]

It really is a shame Dean, diehards showing the interest to travel to this scrimmage for nothing?
Sucks to say this but the Tiger Cats are head and shoulders ahead of the Argonauts when it comes to staying engaged with their fans, their events are very well advertised, organized and very well attended.

Agreed. Hamilton is only 45 minutes away yet it is a different CFL world.

[AngeloV]

You guys spent a holiday traveling to Guelph to see the scrimmage only to arrive late because they changed the time without telling anyone?

If that's the case you guys deserve an apology, at the very least. That's not fair.

I passed by Pinball as I was leaving and expressed my disappointment. He was very apologetic, but still, a very bad look.

["Issues"Mcgee]

I passed by Pinball as I was leaving and expressed my disappointment. He was very apologetic, but still, a very bad look.

Yeah that's a bad look. I'm sorry that happened to you guys I would have not been happy.

I suppose it would have been nice to hear an apology from Pinball himself, but I would still be a little steamed. It doesn't get your time back.

[AngeloV]

Yeah that's a bad look. I'm sorry that happened to you guys I would have not been happy.

I suppose it would have been nice to hear an apology from Pinball himself, but I would still be a little steamed. It doesn't get your time back.

I wasn’t happy, but at the end of the day, I still spent time with my brother and 2 friends, so it wasn’t all that bad a day.

[Will]

As for the scrimmage itself, the offense ran rather crisply I thought. Kelly is clearly the most consistent of the QB's while the others show some flashes and at other times some not so good flashes. Daniels looks ready to go this season!

[jerrym]

Mike Hogan has interesting TC articles on "Mr. Pick 6" and Adarius Pickett and on the return of Pete Nicastro, who missed part of the 2022 season due to a knee injury.
https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/05/21/...a-perfect-fit/

https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/05/22/...-the-all-star/

[ArgoRavi]

Glad it’s not just me then. I double checked to see if the Argos or Hogan tweeted anything in case they changed it and nothing. I remember the days when I was a kid at UTM and this had excitement/buzz, met the players afterward, fans welcomed on the field. My days of getting autographs and getting up close are over so it doesn’t bother me but this game just didn’t have the same buzz that it used to. I think a weekend fan event would’ve been more exciting. IIRC they did Oshawa and Burlington but were in the rush to get out since they were bussed. This is not my CFL lol.

Didn't this game draw over 40k back in the 1970s? Incredible!

[AngeloV]

Didn't this game draw over 40k back in the 1970s? Incredible!

It was an actual full 60 minute game back then where they broke it up as 2 teams in full uniforms. Today, it's just game situations that they practice with officials on the field.

[Scooter McCray]

The ownership and business management situation with this team sucks. This football team deserves so much better than what they get in terms of support and visibility in this market. And at this time with MLSE dealing with their issues with their other 3 teams the Argos will have even less of their owners non existent attention.
Argo fans are great. The few we have are the most supportive, vocal and best in the league. We need to channel our passion towards this ownership group and demand change. Not a co-President. A standalone President. Pinball. That's all they need to do and they can go away and fret over their other poorly run teams.

["Issues"Mcgee]

The ownership and business management situation with this team sucks. This football team deserves so much better than what they get in terms of support and visibility in this market. And at this time with MLSE dealing with their issues with their other 3 teams the Argos will have even less of their owners non existent attention.
Argo fans are great. The few we have are the most supportive, vocal and best in the league. We need to channel our passion towards this ownership group and demand change. Not a co-President. A standalone President. Pinball. That's all they need to do and they can go away and fret over their other poorly run teams.

This particular topic is always a frustrating one for me. On one hand, I agree with everything you are saying.

On the other hand, if Pinball doesn't get the job, then we are back to yelling at clouds. We always talk about how this team needs an ownership group with deep pockets who is super passionate about the Argos and will usher in a new age of glory, but these people just do not exist in the world right now.

So when we talk about ownership not doing their jobs, it just feels like we are all banging our heads off the wall.

Before even advertising comes into play, MLSE needs to instruct their media outlets to at least report on and talk about the CFL as if it is on the same level as every other sport. That to me would go a longer way. People in Toronto know the Argos exist, the perception of the CFL overall needs to change. Once that is achieved, anything is possible beyond that.

Our problem isn't that most people are unaware of the Argos, it's that they hate or feel ashamed by the Argos. Just advertising a lot isn't going to move the needle. You have to deprogram generations of people and MLSE is the only entity that can do that.

[Will]

This particular topic is always a frustrating one for me. On one hand, I agree with everything you are saying.

On the other hand, if Pinball doesn't get the job, then we are back to yelling at clouds. We always talk about how this team needs an ownership group with deep pockets who is super passionate about the Argos and will usher in a new age of glory, but these people just do not exist in the world right now.

So when we talk about ownership not doing their jobs, it just feels like we are all banging our heads off the wall.

Before even advertising comes into play, MLSE needs to instruct their media outlets to at least report on and talk about the CFL as if it is on the same level as every other sport. That to me would go a longer way. People in Toronto know the Argos exist, the perception of the CFL overall needs to change. Once that is achieved, anything is possible beyond that.

Our problem isn't that most people are unaware of the Argos, it's that they hate or feel ashamed by the Argos. Just advertising a lot isn't going to move the needle. You have to deprogram generations of people and MLSE is the only entity that can do that.

There in lies the key, at least the part about deprogramming generations of people.

[Scooter McCray]

This particular topic is always a frustrating one for me. On one hand, I agree with everything you are saying.

On the other hand, if Pinball doesn't get the job, then we are back to yelling at clouds. We always talk about how this team needs an ownership group with deep pockets who is super passionate about the Argos and will usher in a new age of glory, but these people just do not exist in the world right now.

So when we talk about ownership not doing their jobs, it just feels like we are all banging our heads off the wall.

Before even advertising comes into play, MLSE needs to instruct their media outlets to at least report on and talk about the CFL as if it is on the same level as every other sport. That to me would go a longer way. People in Toronto know the Argos exist, the perception of the CFL overall needs to change. Once that is achieved, anything is possible beyond that.

Our problem isn't that most people are unaware of the Argos, it's that they hate or feel ashamed by the Argos. Just advertising a lot isn't going to move the needle. You have to deprogram generations of people and MLSE is the only entity that can do that.

We know MLSE does not prioritize the Argos. They are 4 out of 4 on their depth chart of. That's okay. Just appoint the ideal President (Michael Clemons) and he will allocate the operations budget as he sees fit. That budget amounts to less than what MLSE will spend on their highest paid player for any of their 3 other teams. It's inconsequential to them - a rounding error. They don't have to care, need to care or want to care. Let the football team operate itself independently within the MLSE framework with its own President. The combined football and operations budget will be less than what the Maple Leafs will be signing Auston Matthew's for long term per year. Not sure why they can't sign off on this. With enough belly aching from 5,000 Argo fans they would do this just to shut us up.

["Issues"Mcgee]

With enough belly aching from 5,000 Argo fans they would do this just to shut us up.

If you are starting some sort of movement or call to action, then count me in.

[SkalbaniasGhost]

We know MLSE does not prioritize the Argos. They are 4 out of 4 on their depth chart of.

It could be 5 out of 5 or 6 out of 6 depending how things shake out in the next 12 months.

[AngeloV]

Glad we didn’t bother Angelo, 4:00pm on Victoria Day didn’t excite me plus factor in the drive to and from we couldn’t be bothered.
Diehard fan as most on here are but they really have no clue how not to alienate their fan base.

I contemplated attending from Stratford but so glad I didn’t. Feel for those faithful that made the long trip for basically nothing. Each year I expect that maybe things will improve for those who still love this team (yes Gabe what ever happened to Fan Day) but it seems the lack of effort gets worse each offseason.

I would have really felt bad if the 2 of you came out, since I tried to organize it.

[ArgoRavi]

There in lies the key, at least the part about deprogramming generations of people.

It always amazes me to see how many people HATE the Argos/CFL on social media. It isn't like they are just ignorant of the Argos/CFL, but they feel threatened by it.

[ArgoZ]

It always amazes me to see how many people HATE the Argos/CFL on social media. It isn't like they are just ignorant of the Argos/CFL, but they feel threatened by it.

Great insight. I am too puzzled how frequent someone feels the need to comment “who cares” or something derogatory. Does that mean they read the article and then spent their time commenting on it? Such funny/weird behaviour towards something they don’t like. Some people can’t handle that there is a sizeable amount of CFL fans. What are they threatened by? Are we going to break down their door and paint them double blue?