Injury status reports ?

[OV Argo]

Any chance either of R. Daniel or Amos can return for the play-offs?

K. Gitttens ?

And again WTF is up with Henoc? (imagining an LB corps of him in the middle, flanked by McManis & Pickett - up there with an all-time great Argo LB corps)

[ArgoRavi]

Any chance either of R. Daniel or Amos can return for the play-offs?

K. Gitttens ?

And again WTF is up with Henoc? (imagining an LB corps of him in the middle, flanked by McManis & Pickett - up there with an all-time great Argo LB corps)

OV, one of my biggest frustrations is how little injury information CFL teams, including the Argos, provide.

My recollection is that Amos is done for the season; I have no idea where Daniel is at but I am still hoping that he will be able to return for the playoffs. Likewise with Gittens. I personally would be shocked to see Muamba play again. I will note that Jordan Williams is currently battling a calf injury but he was able to participate in practice in a limited way on Tuesday so I think he will be good to go by the playoffs.

Here is the latest injury report for this week: https://www.cfl.ca/2023/10/10/argos-...tues-practice/

[paulwoods13]

I predict we will get Daniel, Carnell and Gittens back before playoffs, but not Amos. I don't expect either Muamba or Bladek to suit up this season, unless we run into catastrophic injuries at their positions.

[ArgoRavi]

I predict we will get Daniel, Carnell and Gittens back before playoffs, but not Amos. I don't expect either Muamba or Bladek to suit up this season, unless we run into catastrophic injuries at their positions.

Carnell will be another good addition and I agree that he should hopefully be ready for the playoffs, as he had been back practising.

[Will]

I think Amos' injury was season-ending. I think he's still in a walking boot and scooter.

As Ravi pointed out, injury reports are posted HERE/

[OV Argo]

I think Amos' injury was season-ending. I think he's still in a walking boot and scooter.

As Ravi pointed out, injury reports are posted HERE/

Those are just reports of who's practicing; I'm looking for more detailed info on the possible return of injured players. Perhaps the team wants to keep this info secret though, and if them's the rules on the subject, then so be it, I guess.


And again on Henoc - if they had zero intention of playing him this season, then WTF even list him on the roster ? Say he's retired and make him an asst. coach or team spokesman or something like that.

[Waffle]

This was mentioned in another thread. I think that at the start of the season it was thought that Muamba would be ready to play at some point during the season.


https://www.thestar.com/sports/argos...1a7bfcbce.html


“The Argos are ready to open their Canadian Football League season Sunday, a week after everybody else, but they will be without star linebacker Henoc Muamba for their first game, and maybe more.
The middle linebacker has been dealing with a knee issue since the start of training camp last month and there is still a possibility he could end on the six-day injury list.
“We’re up in the air as to how long he’ll be out,” Argos coach Ryan Dinwiddie said after practice Wednesday, confirming Muamba would not play against Hamilton on Sunday, when the Argos will celebrate last year’s Grey Cup win.
“I won’t play this weekend,” Muamba said of Sunday’s game against Hamilton, which desperately needs a win after losing its season opener last Friday to Winnipeg. “We’ll wait and see how things go … we’re not sure about (the six day injury list).””

[paulwoods13]

And again on Henoc - if they had zero intention of playing him this season, then WTF even list him on the roster ? Say he's retired and make him an asst. coach or team spokesman or something like that.

I doubt they ever had zero intention of playing him, or that he had zero intention of playing. But as long as the org doesn't mind spending money outside the cap (and we know MLSE is happy to do that with the Leafs), there is zero downside from having him on the roster on injured reserve. He can rehab and play, if healthy enough and needed, can continue to be a "face of the franchise" in public appearances, and can assist the active players with his experience and enthusiasm. As I'm sure you know, making him an assistant coach would have meant cutting another coach loose -- Argos (like every team, I assume) are at the max for personnel allowed under the operations cap. If he's good with remaining inactive, and evidence suggests he isn't exactly complaining about it, why should we be concerned? This seems to be a pet peeve of yours, and I'm having a hard time understanding why.

[OV Argo]

I doubt they ever had zero intention of playing him, or that he had zero intention of playing. But as long as the org doesn't mind spending money outside the cap (and we know MLSE is happy to do that with the Leafs), there is zero downside from having him on the roster on injured reserve. He can rehab and play, if healthy enough and needed, can continue to be a "face of the franchise" in public appearances, and can assist the active players with his experience and enthusiasm. As I'm sure you know, making him an assistant coach would have meant cutting another coach loose -- Argos (like every team, I assume) are at the max for personnel allowed under the operations cap. If he's good with remaining inactive, and evidence suggests he isn't exactly complaining about it, why should we be concerned? This seems to be a pet peeve of yours, and I'm having a hard time understanding why.

Why is it so hard to understand an Argo fan wanting one of the best defensive players on the team, and in the entire league for that matter, plus a vet leader, in the line-up - for down the stretch and ready to play in the big play-off games. If they're too cheap or afraid of going over the SM$ then just say so - sorry we can't afford to pay this guy - but to dress Henoc could mean another player goes to the IR for the end of the season, so the SM$ cost savings angle is being way over-stated IMO. I've suggested he replace Jones in the LB corps, but if you feel Jones is the better player and more valuable to the team, then that's swell.

And saying the team/coaches know what they're doing so don't dare question them, on a forum like this is laughable. Maybe Henoc has a nagging injury that both he and the team realize would limit his effectiveness; or maybe he really doesn't want to play - for whatever reason; if that's the case, then I agree he should not be dressed or playing.

[paulwoods13]

I've suggested he replace Jones in the LB corps, but if you feel Jones is the better player and more valuable to the team, then that's swell.

Did you even watch the last game?

[paulwoods13]

If they're too cheap or afraid of going over the SM$ then just say so - sorry we can't afford to pay this guy - but to dress Henoc could mean another player goes to the IR for the end of the season, so the SM$ cost savings angle is being way over-stated IMO.

This has zero to do with cheapness or fear. They are, apparently, prepared to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars over and above cap-covered payments, in order to keep two guys around who have been all-stars and Cup champs and could be worked into the lineup if needed. So far they have not been needed, in a season where the team has won 13 of 15 games with the lineups it has used. I guess you're not familiar with the concept of having your cake and eating it, too?

[OV Argo]

Did you even watch the last game?

Yeah; so ? Did u watch the game before where Oliveira's power running up the middle gashed the Argo D ?

[paulwoods13]

Yeah; so ? Did u watch the game before where Oliveira's power running up the middle gashed the Argo D ?

A D that lacked Oakman and McManis, and a game plan that was vanilla, but yes, I watched every minute of it. I've watched Jones closely all year, and he has been excellent. And again, the team is 13-2. Grousing about roster management under these circumstances seems beyond petty. But since we're going back and forth, maybe you'd consider responding to this question I asked previously?

If he's good with remaining inactive, and evidence suggests he isn't exactly complaining about it, why should we be concerned?

[OV Argo]

A D that lacked Oakman and McManis, and a game plan that was vanilla, but yes, I watched every minute of it. I've watched Jones closely all year, and he has been excellent. And again, the team is 13-2. Grousing about roster management under these circumstances seems beyond petty. But since we're going back and forth, maybe you'd consider responding to this question I asked previously?

If he's good with remaining inactive, and evidence suggests he isn't exactly complaining about it, why should we be concerned?

Answer: I'm concerned cause I'd like to see the D improved by the addition of an outstanding player (did u watch last year's GC? ;o) ); but if he prefers to remain inactive / has no desire to play, then his wishes should be respected of course. I guess no CFL observerers are asking questions though on his status ?

IF, MBT had decided to return to the Argos mid-season, and said he would gladly take the role as a back-up QB, mentor to Kelly, extra set of offence eyes and like to be there for another GC run, but the Argos said no thanks, we're good with our current raw rookie back-ups, and after all we've been winning, not sure what you would have said ?

[paulwoods13]

Answer: I'm concerned cause I'd like to see the D improved by the addition of an outstanding player (did u watch last year's GC? ;o) ); but if he prefers to remain inactive / has no desire to play, then his wishes should be respected of course. I guess no CFL observerers are asking questions though on his status ?

IF, MBT had decided to return to the Argos mid-season, and said he would gladly take the role as a back-up QB, mentor to Kelly, extra set of offence eyes and like to be there for another GC run, but the Argos said no thanks, we're good with our current raw rookie back-ups, and after all we've been winning, not sure what you would have said ?

Maybe Muamba would improve the defence, maybe he wouldn't. IMO the defence has played extremely well (league-best or close to it) with the personnel they have used, including Williams/Jones at MLB.

As for your hypothetical (to put it kindly) MBT question, it's clearly not analogous. The Argos' not only haven't said "no thanks" to Muamba -- they are paying him full salary as part of the team! And unlike the QB position, the backup LBs have considerable experience in this league. And they are paid a lot less than MBT would come back for, in any role. Your question appears to be another attempt to provoke rather than engage in meaningful debate. That's OK -- I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

[OV Argo]

Maybe Muamba would improve the defence, maybe he wouldn't. IMO the defence has played extremely well (league-best or close to it) with the personnel they have used, including Williams/Jones at MLB.

As for your hypothetical (to put it kindly) MBT question, it's clearly not analogous. The Argos' not only haven't said "no thanks" to Muamba -- they are paying him full salary as part of the team! And unlike the QB position, the backup LBs have considerable experience in this league. And they are paid a lot less than MBT would come back for, in any role. Your question appears to be another attempt to provoke rather than engage in meaningful debate. That's OK -- I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

Ha,ha; sorry but that's like saying maybe MBT would provide a better back-up QB option than the raw rookies the Argos currently have there; and after all this Argo team has a better offence and winning record this year with those 2 rookie back-up QBs.

And if the Argos are not dressing Muamba cause they believe he would offer no help or improvement to the D, that is like saying "no thanks" to a proven league best D talent; regardless of wether he's good with it or happy just collecting a pay-cheque. And I already put out the possibility that maybe Henoc has just not fully recovered from an injury issue, and is not close to being as good as he has been, and this would be a very good reason for him not to dress /play. I don't think it would be too much of an ask to get some answer on his status. If this was an NFL all-star LB apparently not that injured but just sitting on the sidelines for a team that has a chance to go to the Super Bowl, I'm guessing there would be constant howls of WTF from the football media and team fans.

[paulwoods13]

Well, you are certainly flying the "constant howls of WTF" flag on everyone's behalf.

I'm done with this "discussion."

[OV Argo]

Well, you are certainly flying the "constant howls of WTF" flag on everyone's behalf.

I'm done with this "discussion."

Ha, ha = Ok; so can I put you down for: Henoc is really not that much of a LB and the guys they have there are better, and, CFL fans and media should just mind their own business about the status of last year's GC MVP ?

[Rich]

Ha, ha = Ok; so can I put you down for: Henoc is really not that much of a LB and the guys they have there are better, and, CFL fans and media should just mind their own business about the status of last year's GC MVP ?

Im with you OV. It’s silly to think a healthy Henoc wouldn’t make this great defence even better.

[Argo57]

Maybe Muamba would improve the defence, maybe he wouldn't. IMO the defence has played extremely well (league-best or close to it) with the personnel they have used, including Williams/Jones at MLB.

As for your hypothetical (to put it kindly) MBT question, it's clearly not analogous. The Argos' not only haven't said "no thanks" to Muamba -- they are paying him full salary as part of the team! And unlike the QB position, the backup LBs have considerable experience in this league. And they are paid a lot less than MBT would come back for, in any role. Your question appears to be another attempt to provoke rather than engage in meaningful debate. That's OK -- I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

I agree with you Paul.
The Argonauts D has been excellent this season.
I’m a fan of Jonathan Jones who has played very well since joining the Argonauts.
I have been critical of MLSE when justified but they seem to be giving Pinball, Magri and the football ops staff all the resources necessary for success.
A 13-2 win loss record leaves little to complain about.