2023-24 off-season transactions

[paulwoods13]

Back to the no Henoc last season: are we ever going to get an explanation? - he was nicked /injured still and unable to play at even close to 90%?; his heart really wasn't into playing?; the team & D felt they didn't really need him?; it was all about saving $M$ room? It better have been the first or 2nd reason, cause otherwise, I have lost some or a lot of respect for those responsible for the other reason decisions there, considering the East Final melt-down as opposed to the result the year before with Henoc playing.

Ever considered the possibility that Muamba might have been actively involved in the decision, and signed off on it? Ever considered the notion that he doesn't owe anyone outside of the org and his own family an explanation?

Are you seriously suggesting the defence, or the starting MLB, was responsible for the "melt-down" in the Eastern Final?

[OV Argo]

Ever considered the possibility that Muamba might have been actively involved in the decision, and signed off on it? Ever considered the notion that he doesn't owe anyone outside of the org and his own family an explanation?

Are you seriously suggesting the defence, or the starting MLB, was responsible for the "melt-down" in the Eastern Final?

Ok; i guess on these kinda forums we should not be asking any questions about the Argo football team. Do you think somebody is going to suggest he be tied-up and interrogated for cripes sake ? - how bout a simple explanation ? What do you think would happen if a veteran Maple Leafs star who had helped them win the Stanley Cup the season before, and who may or may not have been contemplating retirement, was held out a whole season, and seemed healthy enough to play for a play-off run, but nothing/zip was said about it ? Do you really think the Toronto or Canadian sports media or the majority of Maple Leafs fans would have just shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well" ?

And no, Henoc or nobody else on the defence was responsible for the offence turning the ball over to lead to a bunch of Montreal points; but veteran, smart, play-making D players can sometimes make big plays to turn the tide in a big game, or else maybe provide some fiery leadership spark to rally the troops. Argos won the previous GC with Henoc in the line-up and playing very well; they got spanked in the play-offs one season later without him = this we know.

["Issues"Mcgee]

Ok; i guess on these kinda forums we should not be asking any questions about the Argo football team. Do you think somebody is going to suggest he be tied-up and interrogated for cripes sake ? - how bout a simple explanation ? What do you think would happen if a veteran Maple Leafs star who had helped them win the Stanley Cup the season before, and who may or may not have been contemplating retirement, was held out a whole season, and seemed healthy enough to play for a play-off run, but nothing/zip was said about it ? Do you really think the Toronto or Canadian sports media or the majority of Maple Leafs fans would have just shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well" ?

And no, Henoc or nobody else on the defence was responsible for the offence turning the ball over to lead to a bunch of Montreal points; but veteran, smart, play-making D players can sometimes make big plays to turn the tide in a big game, or else maybe provide some fiery leadership spark to rally the troops. Argos won the previous GC with Henoc in the line-up and playing very well; they got spanked in the play-offs one season later without him = this we know.

I'm going to agree with you here. There is nothing wrong with wanting an explanation for a legendary Argos player sitting out for a whole season with no explanation. If a similar situation happened with the Leafs, the media coverage would be endless and it never would get this far. They would be stalking Henoc with helicopters.

[gilthethrill]

I'm going to agree with you here. There is nothing wrong with wanting an explanation for a legendary Argos player sitting out for a whole season with no explanation. If a similar situation happened with the Leafs, the media coverage would be endless and it never would get this far. They would be stalking Henoc with helicopters.

Well said. I agree with OV.

[paulwoods13]

Ok; i guess on these kinda forums we should not be asking any questions about the Argo football team. Do you think somebody is going to suggest he be tied-up and interrogated for cripes sake ? - how bout a simple explanation ? What do you think would happen if a veteran Maple Leafs star who had helped them win the Stanley Cup the season before, and who may or may not have been contemplating retirement, was held out a whole season, and seemed healthy enough to play for a play-off run, but nothing/zip was said about it ? Do you really think the Toronto or Canadian sports media or the majority of Maple Leafs fans would have just shrugged their shoulders and said "oh well" ?

Here's the thing -- you keep insinuating that the organization buried Muamba, against his wishes, at the cost of team success (on a team that tied the all-time record for victories; what a cost was incurred). You seem unwilling to accept the notion that there might be some other reason(s) he was on IR all season. Regardless of that, we as fans have no "right" to know what actually happened. If the player or the team want to explain it publicly, they will. If they don't want to, they won't. No amount of griping about it on a fan forum is going to change that.

As you well know (because you complain about it frequently) the Argos/CFL are not in the same hemisphere as the Leafs/NHL when it comes to media coverage or fan interest. And yet Corey Perry somehow got terminated by an NHL team and no explanation, let alone a "simple explanation," has ever been given. Funny that.

Muamba, with a weekly public platform, certainly has had umpteen opportunities to get something off his chest if he wished to do so.

Argos also won the previous Grey Cup with Bladek in the lineup, and a few others who didn't suit up in the 2023 EF. I guess they all might have made a difference, too.

[OV Argo]

Here's the thing -- you keep insinuating that the organization buried Muamba, against his wishes, at the cost of team success (on a team that tied the all-time record for victories; what a cost was incurred). You seem unwilling to accept the notion that there might be some other reason(s) he was on IR all season. Regardless of that, we as fans have no "right" to know what actually happened. If the player or the team want to explain it publicly, they will. If they don't want to, they won't. No amount of griping about it on a fan forum is going to change that.

As you well know (because you complain about it frequently) the Argos/CFL are not in the same hemisphere as the Leafs/NHL when it comes to media coverage or fan interest. And yet Corey Perry somehow got terminated by an NHL team and no explanation, let alone a "simple explanation," has ever been given. Funny that.

Muamba, with a weekly public platform, certainly has had umpteen opportunities to get something off his chest if he wished to do so.

Argos also won the previous Grey Cup with Bladek in the lineup, and a few others who didn't suit up in the 2023 EF. I guess they all might have made a difference, too.

Your interpretation that my comments suggest the Argos purposely "buried" Muamba "against his wishes" is way over the top hyperbole; but kinda predictable from those who like to believe know-nothing couch potato fans should never dare question the inscrutable football geniuses who run their fave football teams.

I'm open to any simple explanation - might be nice to hear; but the Argos or Henoc are under no obligation to provide one of course; or are you going to put words in my mouth on that as well ?

[paulwoods13]

Your interpretation that my comments suggest the Argos purposely "buried" Muamba "against his wishes" is way over the top hyperbole; but kinda predictable from those who like to believe know-nothing couch potato fans should never dare question the inscrutable football geniuses who run their fave football teams.

I'm open to any simple explanation - might be nice to hear; but the Argos or Henoc are under no obligation to provide one of course; or are you going to put words in my mouth on that as well ?

Even know-nothing couch potato fans can probably discern that you do a more than adequate job of putting words in your own mouth, OV. You've certainly had plenty to say about this situation, going back months. Maybe there actually isn't a "simple explanation." You open to that possibility as well?

[primetime31]

Getting back to the Jordan Williams trade, I think that it is safe to say that salary had something to do with the transaction. With so many free agents to resign, it is likely that management had to make a tough decision with players such as Gittens and Williams.

As for the return on the trade, the one unknown is if the Argos can sign Deontay Burnett at some point. I watched Burnett a fair bit for USC and he has IMO, a good skillset to be a productive slotback in this league. He doesn't have deep speed but has real quickness off of the line and can get open.