August 29, 1986 - Toronto Argonauts @ Ottawa Rough Riders

[Will]

Not a significant game in team history, but something to occupy yourself during the offseason.

[TICATS SUCK !]

Holloway getting stripped at 39:35 reminds me of the play that happened in the "Tuck Rule" game between New England and the Raiders. I wish the Argos had gone back to these uniforms. I'm not a big fan of their current garb.

[Will]

I don't understand how an OL can give up 100+ sacks. This was unit that featured Dan Ferrone, Kelvin Pruenster (and later in the year) Chris Schultz, all of whom would be part of a pretty good OL just a year or two later.

[ArgoRavi]

I don't understand how an OL can give up 100+ sacks. This was unit that featured Dan Ferrone, Kelvin Pruenster (and later in the year) Chris Schultz, all of whom would be part of a pretty good OL just a year or two later.

I believe that they counted any loss of yardage as a sack that season but I am not 100% sure. 103 sacks just seems impossible to me.

[Will]

I believe that they counted any loss of yardage as a sack that season but I am not 100% sure. 103 sacks just seems impossible to me.

There was some debate about this on Twitter, and there might have been a rule change in 1990, which is part of the reason why you don't see teams get 70-80 sacks in a season anymore.

Nonetheless, from watching some of these games, Condredge was under relentless pressure at times in 1986.

[paulwoods13]

I was living in Calgary and covering the Stampeders in 1986. I was at the Argo game there that season (which IIRC was either the first or second game back for Minter; I interviewed him for my pre-game story). Holloway got sacked either 11 or 12 times that day, I believe. It was insane.

[Will]

Here is said article for anyone interested:

[SkalbaniasGhost]

There was some debate about this on Twitter, and there might have been a rule change in 1990, which is part of the reason why you don't see teams get 70-80 sacks in a season anymore.

Nonetheless, from watching some of these games, Condredge was under relentless pressure at times in 1986.

The offensive coordinators were actively encouraging the QB roll outs during the 82-88 time frames. Turner Gill was absolutely brutalized(James Parker,Eddie Lowe)during that 4 game swing in early 1985.His career was over by training camp 1986.

[paulwoods13]

Here is said article for anyone interested:

This is awesome to see 38 years later. I don't think I have a clipping of that story. For the record, although my byline is on the piece, I wrote only the Tor-Cal stuff. I either copied and pasted stuff from the other games that day, or (more likely) an editor in Toronto blended my post-game story (which would have had a couple hundred more words about the Calgary game) with reports from the other two games into a "roundup" sent late in the day to papers publishing the next afternoon.

[OV Argo]

The offensive coordinators were actively encouraging the QB roll outs during the 82-88 time frames. Turner Gill was absolutely brutalized(James Parker,Eddie Lowe)during that 4 game swing in early 1985.His career was over by training camp 1986.

Yet Tracy Ham emerged after as a great CFL running QB and led a couple of teams to GCs.

[OV Argo]

This is awesome to see 38 years later. I don't think I have a clipping of that story. For the record, although my byline is on the piece, I wrote only the Tor-Cal stuff. I either copied and pasted stuff from the other games that day, or (more likely) an editor in Toronto blended my post-game story (which would have had a couple hundred more words about the Calgary game) with reports from the other two games into a "roundup" sent late in the day to papers publishing the next afternoon.

A blast from the past! - you old-timer Paul.

An Ottawa crowd of just over 13K ? - wow - I do not recall crowds that paltry then; I was likely at that Ottawa game (have to check my old ticket stub collection) as I usually went to Argo visits to Lansdowne; period of many bad Ottawa teams that led to the eventual folding; makes the recent RedBlacks attendances of just under 20K last season for a poor team seem decent; but mind you Ottawa's population is now likely over 300K more compared to then - way more to draw from.

And it was back in 86 that I sent a letter to the CFL office, lamenting the lack of (IMO anyhow then) CFL coverage in the media; and whoever in the CFL office was kind enough to reply and sent me a free copy of the CFL's Facts, Figures & Records yearbook (was that the 1st edition?)

[Will]

Here is the game from the week before that Argos played Edmonton at CNE Stadium. It is joined in progress, however I did send Calgary Stampeders Classics a two disc DVD of this game, which is hopefully the full version. The one posted, I believe, he got from Craig Ellis.

[ArgoRavi]

I was living in Calgary and covering the Stampeders in 1986. I was at the Argo game there that season (which IIRC was either the first or second game back for Minter; I interviewed him for my pre-game story). Holloway got sacked either 11 or 12 times that day, I believe. It was insane.

I did watch a game not too long ago from 1986 when the Stamps visited the Argos and Calgary must have had a half-dozen sacks in that game so there's little question that Argos QBs took a beating that season.

[TICATS SUCK !]

Here is the game from the week before that Argos played Edmonton at CNE Stadium. It is joined in progress, however I did send Calgary Stampeders Classics a two disc DVD of this game, which is hopefully the full version. The one posted, I believe, he got from Craig Ellis.

Oh Oh Oh Oh Argo Glide! I enjoyed listening to the comments about the lack of action/scoring by Pat Marsden. Some nice kick returns by the late, great, Darrell Smith (not D.K. Smith at this point). Holloway and Dunigan sure took a lot of hits this game, which ended quite dramatically.

[Will]

Interestingly enough, I did find a transaction list for the Argos from July 1986 where he is referred to as Darrell K. Smith, which I didn't think started until 1989 or 1990.

[gilthethrill]

Argo QB Jeff Joslin dressed for 3 games that season (his career) recording no stats.