Mo Mann and Chandler Williams

[Wobbler]

Bill Lankof's new article is meaty.

It describes previously undisclosed details of Mann's TC injury and confirms that he and Inman are competing for the same specific job.

The article also provides some background on Williams and some new info. "Still makes too many mistakes but he is coming along. He’s got some juice” (said Milanovich). I don't know whether SM is talking about practice or in-game, but if Williams has been error prone on the field he has been making wonderful mistakes.

[1argoholic]

If Mann is ready you have to dress him.

[Nob]

I would agree, but I wouldn't take out Inman. I also wouldn't take out Williams, because at some point Owens will need a breather from special teams, and that's Chandler's spot. Let me see, who's left.......................???

Cue the Watt apologists in 5-4-3-2-1............

And yes, I get it. I know that Watt is a non-import, so save me that argument. try something new or different this time.

[gilthethrill]

I would agree, but I wouldn't take out Inman. I also wouldn't take out Williams, because at some point Owens will need a breather from special teams, and that's Chandler's spot. Let me see, who's left.......................???

Cue the Watt apologists in 5-4-3-2-1............

And yes, I get it. I know that Watt is a non-import, so save me that argument. try something new or different this time.

I would like to see Mann in the lineup. How would you fit him in?

[ArgoRavi]

I would like to see Mann in the lineup. How would you fit him in?

I am guessing that he would take an import out of the defence to get Mann in and then make Watt a backup. If you put Mann in Watt's spot, I still don't think that you will magically see a bunch more footballs thrown to that spot however. Furthermore, you will have to weaken your defence to make this move. With the offence and defence both playing well already, I don't see much motivation for making this move.

[Nob]

With Watt in aren't they playing one more NI than they need to? I thought you only need 7? The 5 OL, Durie and Foley. By my math that's 7.

If its 8 then yes, we need Watt.

[paulwoods13]

I would agree, but I wouldn't take out Inman. I also wouldn't take out Williams, because at some point Owens will need a breather from special teams, and that's Chandler's spot. Let me see, who's left.......................???

Cue the Watt apologists in 5-4-3-2-1............

And yes, I get it. I know that Watt is a non-import, so save me that argument. try something new or different this time.

Nob, you have repeatedly ignored the proposition that starting eight NIs gives the coaching staff way more flexibility in how personnel is deployed. So until you deal with that proposition -- which has already been presented to you several times -- I will decline your order to come up with a new proposition. If that makes me a Watt "apologist," so be it.

[Wobbler]

In fairness to Nob, I'm not sure I really understand this proposition either. There is an obvious advantage to having >7 NIs on the 42 man roster who are skilled enough to play their positions well (i.e. *capable* of starting) to allow for personnel adjustments due to tactics or injury, but what is the advantage of *declaring* 8 NI starters vs. 7?

[AngeloV]

I would agree, but I wouldn't take out Inman. I also wouldn't take out Williams, because at some point Owens will need a breather from special teams, and that's Chandler's spot. Let me see, who's left.......................???

Cue the Watt apologists in 5-4-3-2-1............

And yes, I get it. I know that Watt is a non-import, so save me that argument. try something new or different this time.

I'm not going to be an apologist. I respect your opinion.....No matter how stupid it is.

[OV Argo]

In fairness to Nob, I'm not sure I really understand this proposition either. There is an obvious advantage to having >7 NIs on the 42 man roster who are skilled enough to play their positions well (i.e. *capable* of starting) to allow for personnel adjustments due to tactics or injury, but what is the advantage of *declaring* 8 NI starters vs. 7?

It would be an "obvious advantage" too, IF CFL teams had 16 imports "capable" of starting; BUT - they don't always; it's just ASSumed by many that it's better to have as many imports starting as possible.

Yep - the Argos could go with 7 only NI "starters" - Durie + 5 O-linemen and then Foley only on D; Watt could be replaced if they thought an import they could get in instead was a signifigant upgrade. The Argos could also "start" Pottinger or Tristan Black at MLB; or maybe Matt Black at corner (try Watkins at D-half - where his size might make him a great match-up against some of the big slotbacks), or they could give Bradwell a shot at slotback and even still leave Watt at WR. The other imports in the line-up, who weren't "starters" could still play in situations or rotation. Lots of options; but not if the coaching staff has little faith in or respect for some of the NIs on the roster.

[jerrym]

They should play him, found out what he has left, and then make a decision on whether he is worth keeping.

[Fungi]

Every players' career is 'what have you done for me lately'. If Mo or Rambo can step in, get open end get more yards than Watt, then stand back and learn youngster.We've got a Grey Cup to win.

[Nob]

Having 8 NI starters is a luxury. Not a necessity.

If you can better your roster I think you are obliged to do so. The fact that the Argos are winning allows them the time to leave things as is instead of airlifting players in. But I think we would be fooling ourselves if a professional team isn't always thinking of ways to get better.

Trust me, as a guy who has coached several payers that are in pro ball, and on there way to pro, nothing makes me happier then to see them get there. I'm all for the Canadian content. My official complaint is that the Argos NI talent is not the best in the league, and needs to get better. Spencer Watt is Exhibit 1 in my case.

Mann may, or may not, be ready to go. Ditto with Rambo. What are the Argos going to do when one or both are ready to go?

What are the Argos going to do if/when a starting NI goes down? Will they still stick with 8, or will they go to 7?

Can the Argos really keep Watt and his 3 catches for 25 yards per game in the lineup if more proven other guys are healthy enough to play?

Mann or Rambo may not get more than Watt's 3 catches per game, but I'm willing to speculate that they will gain more than 25 yards per game. (yes, I know that Mann didn't light the world on fire last year, but he didn't have Ray throwing the ball last season. Mann's track record with Ray is pretty good, if I'm not mistaken).

Food for thought. There is a lot of season left. Many things can, and will, happen between now and the end of November.

[1argoholic]

To go along with Nob and Fungi it's a BC sweep when it come to thoughts on Watt. Either get him the ball more to see what he can or can't do or find someone who can give us more. I've been saying it until I'm double blue in the face that this team and Barker in particular doesn't seem to take Canadian talent seruosly enough. Now we'll get ripped for our thoughts because that's what always happens. All I can go on is by watching my black and white 10 inch tv with rabbit ears and a crank but I don't see Watt on the screen much at all.

[Nob]

1argoholic - your "BC sweep" seems somewhat ironic since Watt played his university ball here at Simon Fraser University. Ok.....maybe ironic isn't the best word, but you would think that the local boys would have all the more reason to cheer him on......

Hey, if Watt goes 9 catches for 150 and 2 td's tomorrow I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl. However, last time I checked he played wide side receiver. If memory serves correct Byron Parker plays wide side corner......... That is a matchup that doesn't look promising.

But they play the game on the field, not on paper, and not on an internet forum.

[gilthethrill]

Is Rambo even an Argonaut? You could put Mann at wideside, but as someone mentioned before, will he see any more balls than Watt? If any other import should be dressed, I would go with Kackert. Versatile runner who can show a new wrinkle on offense & can return kicks.

That being said, I do like the roster that is being employed each game.

[ArgoZ]

1argoholic - your "BC sweep" seems somewhat ironic since Watt played his university ball here at Simon Fraser University. Ok.....maybe ironic isn't the best word, but you would think that the local boys would have all the more reason to cheer him on......

Hey, if Watt goes 9 catches for 150 and 2 td's tomorrow I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl. However, last time I checked he played wide side receiver. If memory serves correct Byron Parker plays wide side corner......... That is a matchup that doesn't look promising.

But they play the game on the field, not on paper, and not on an internet forum.

If Watt was a little more polished, it would be a great match up. No way can Parker keep up to Watt's speed down the sideline.

[AngeloV]

Hey, if Watt goes 9 catches for 150 and 2 td's tomorrow I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl. However, last time I checked he played wide side receiver. If memory serves correct Byron Parker plays wide side corner......... That is a matchup that doesn't look promising.

B.C. plays almost exclusively a zone defence, so Parker will not be necessarily covering Watt. In fact, if Parker does get stuck on man coverage, he can't run with Watt. He's as good a zone guy as this league has ever seen, though, so the Argos really need to be careful.

[Argocister]

Although I'd love to add Mann to the roster and see what he can give the Argos, I like the risk management of 8 NI players. (and of course I'm a Watt supporter)
Having the 8th NI will nullify any problems that can happen mid-gameplan if an NI is injured. No throwing in the lineup someone that can cope.
I was reading an article ..... on Foster in BC (I'll have to look it up , can't remember where) The article was written about his "potential", and how he wants to change the use of that word.... but being the wide side receiver, the opportunity doesn't present itself that much.
The article could probably be written substituting Watt for Foster. Both Canadians, in their 3rd year, ...... waiting for their opportunity....out on the wide side.

[OV Argo]

Although I'd love to add Mann to the roster and see what he can give the Argos, I like the risk management of 8 NI players. (and of course I'm a Watt supporter)
Having the 8th NI will nullify any problems that can happen mid-gameplan if an NI is injured. No throwing in the lineup someone that can cope.
I was reading an article ..... on Foster in BC (I'll have to look it up , can't remember where) The article was written about his "potential", and how he wants to change the use of that word.... but being the wide side receiver, the opportunity doesn't present itself that much.
The article could probably be written substituting Watt for Foster. Both Canadians, in their 3rd year, ...... waiting for their opportunity....out on the wide side.

Foster had 33 receptions - 593 yards (18 yds/catch - 2nd best in the league), plus 6 TDs last season; = I think he got his opportunity and showed what he can do.

And IMO, Mann is no upgrade over Watt; and Williams has made basically one nice reception/gainer this year - he might be a good one and maybe gradually will get more playing time.