August 27th 2012: Edmonton vs. Toronto Argonauts

**KCargosfan** · 08-27-2012, 10:28 PM

That made absolutely no sense at the end there. Are we taking tips from LaPolice or something? Very weird.

**Nob** · 08-27-2012, 10:49 PM

And why throw deep to a very well covered receiver on third down? A least make a higher percentage play to get the first down.

Bad game. Bad decisions. Edmonton executed better.

The Argos made Kerry freaking Joseph look good. Geeeeeesh.......

**doubleblue** · 08-27-2012, 10:51 PM

Because if they kicked the field goal Edmonton takes the ball at the 35 and runs out the clock.

**tennyis** · 08-27-2012, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by doubleblue

Because if they kicked the field goal Edmonton takes the ball at the 35 and runs out the clock.

I don't know about that... I wouldn't have taken the FG either but with the time remaining and a time out, a 2 and out is probably a higher percentage then an onside kick.

agreed, he should have just tried to run for the 1st down... it was 4 freakin yards... you don't have to go for it all at once.

**KCargosfan** · 08-28-2012, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by doubleblue

Because if they kicked the field goal Edmonton takes the ball at the 35 and runs out the clock.

Huh? Edmonton got the ball back and punted right back to us after going 2 and out.

**argolio** · 08-28-2012, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by KCargosfan

Huh? Edmonton got the ball back and punted right back to us after going 2 and out.

If we had scored a TD, we could have then gone for an onside kick. With a FG, they would surely have opted to take the ball at the 35 rather than take a kickoff.

And just because they went two and out doesn't necessarily mean the same sequence of events would have occurred if we had made a field goal.

**tennyis** · 08-27-2012, 10:52 PM

1. a FG is useless without an onside kick and TD to follow...
2. go for the TD and get the major out of the way, then get an onside kick and go for a 50+ yard FG
3. Waters already missed a FG and looked off tonight.
4. Kerry Joseph IS good. Don't forget he's won the grey cup and the MOP. His best days are long since gone, but coming in off the bench he's one of the top 2 or 3 backups in the league.

**KCargosfan** · 08-28-2012, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by tennyis

1. a FG is useless without an onside kick and TD to follow...
2. go for the TD and get the major out of the way, then get an onside kick and go for a 50+ yard FG
3. Waters already missed a FG and looked off tonight.
4. Kerry Joseph IS good. Don't forget he's won the grey cup and the MOP. His best days are long since gone, but coming in off the bench he's one of the top 2 or 3 backups in the league.

You've got to at least give yourself a chance and we didn't. Funny how Edmonton went 2-and-out and punted right back to us, then we almost scored.
Waters hit from 50 tonight, and Kerry Joseph is not good, it's 2012, not 2007. I'll take every backup in the East over him and Glenn in Calgary.

Originally Posted by argolio

If we had scored a TD, we could have then gone for an onside kick. With a FG, they would surely have opted to take the ball at the 35 rather than take a kickoff.

And just because they went two and out doesn't necessarily mean the same sequence of events would have occurred if we had made a field goal.

Right, but you have to at least give yourself a chance, we didn't. And I believe we still had the timeout. Plus Joseph is their QB. If we had made a FG there's as good a possibility of a 2-and-out as not.

**Argos** · 08-27-2012, 10:54 PM

I'd take the field goal personally. At very least, I'd try something other than basically a Hail Mary. A first down was key.

**Bleeds Double Blue** · 08-27-2012, 10:31 PM

I'm pissed. This is not good enough.

**tennyis** · 08-27-2012, 10:52 PM

it sure wasn't... Ray was BRUTAL tonight, by far and way his worst game as an Argo.

**larz-7** · 08-27-2012, 11:22 PM

in rays defense he was hounded all night but he also throw some bad passes . i may get hounded but i would not of minded seeing jackson in for a bit just so Ray get get a look see from the bench something i thought our QB coach was doing.Ray has been pulled from games before

**Nob** · 08-27-2012, 11:29 PM

I had the same thought about giving Jackson a series. More to see if he could make something happen with his legs, or to use his stronger arm to challenge with a deep ball (depending if the OL could afford the time to go deep.....).

I also loved the decision to do something other than QB sneak when Jackson was in there, and bingo - touchdown!!!

Can't argue with letting Ray stay in there. You have to give him a chance to compete, and he did. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

Not a bad thought though.

**Stevoman** · 08-27-2012, 11:33 PM

Definitely blew a chance to gain some ground and put some separation between them and the Ticats before a crucial home and home. We need more TD's!!!!!!!!!!!! is this offence capable of finishing off more than 2 drives a game???

**matchuk** · 08-27-2012, 11:39 PM

at least the ice cream i had from the counter in section 119 was good...

**1argoholic** · 08-27-2012, 10:39 PM

WOW!! Ray looks like shite with no help and an O Line that looks like it's lost and no one to catch a pass. I was a Barnes backer but he's useless. Watt WHO??? Carroll should just be cut now. If they ditched Boyd then this stiff deserves to be cut. Suiters going on about he hasn't stayed anywhere because of penalty issues. He gets 79 yards himself.
Tilman is one smart GM that I would have taken in a heartbeat ove Bob Barker plus he laughing his arse off as I type this.
As I mentioned we can be in deep crap with different issues weekly but now our D looks sad. We simply don't win on Labour Day in Hamilton and we don't win in Vancouver. Hopefully we're not sitting at 4 and 7 after the next three. Everytime I let my guard down and feel confident we SUCK! I'm po'd with this stinker.
Esks two top pass rushers are out and they killed us all night long with the pass rush against a pylon. Then we allow a 39 year old to run free.
Milanovich is no Trestman.

**Nob** · 08-27-2012, 10:52 PM

OV said it - Edmonton was better coached, and executed their game plan. They aren't going to "wow" anyone with their offence. They will do enough to let their defense win the game. That's what they did.

Milanovich also helped with a poor decision on third down.

**Wobbler** · 08-27-2012, 11:05 PM

I was shocked by how simplistic our D looked in the fourth quarter. Pressure is great, but when three rushers come free and start pursuing the QB you know something bad is going to happen. And it did, several times.

On O, this was Barnes' last game as a starter; Rambo will probably take his spot. I think we might also find a way to dress Mann next week too.

**OV Argo** · 08-27-2012, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Nob

Sorry, to finish my post - to put Rambo and Mann in there 2 imports need to come out. Barnes has been disappointing.

Can't take Inman out. Ditto Owens.

Rambo is a few games away from being ready - according to one of the commentators tonight; Mann is a Barnes lite; Watt had zero passes directed his way till the last drive - seems like Ray or the OC have no use for him; time for a shake-up in the receiving corps; Bradwell should get a shot as a starting slotback IMO - but he lacks something on his resume; who else is available on the roster to try at receiver?