Joel Reinders wake up call

**ArgoRavi** · 01-26-2012, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by gilthethrill

You are bang on Area 51. I work with a guy who is buddies with Kaczur. He told me he is 50lbs under his playing weight. He is also enjoying family life.

Don't forget that he had some issues with pain pills IIRC so playing football probably isn't what he needs to be doing at this point in his life. He has already made substantial money in the NFL as well which leaves even less incentive to continue playing.

**gilthethrill** · 01-26-2012, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

Don't forget that he had some issues with pain pills IIRC so playing football probably isn't what he needs to be doing at this point in his life. He has already made substantial money in the NFL as well which leaves even less incentive to continue playing.

Thats right Ravi. I believe, if memory serves his back was causing him that pain. Losing 50 lbs may help eleviate the pain as well.

**paulwoods13** · 01-26-2012, 10:54 AM

When was the last time a guy started for several seasons in the NFL, then came to the CFL (excluding Ricky Williams, whose situation was unique)? Kaczur started the lion's share of games for five seasons with the Pats -- he would have made huge money by comparison to CFL salaries. Even if he was healthy and had no takers in the NFL, I cannot imagine he would play in Canada even for $200k/year. Mike Schad came back to Canada, but that was ages ago when salaries were a lot closer. I can't recall any other longterm NFL starters who came to the CFL in the past few decades. Maybe I'm forgetting someone?

**c33** · 01-26-2012, 11:21 AM

^ Tommy Kane?

**argonaut11xx** · 01-26-2012, 01:28 PM

hmm..maybe Chris Shultz...3 seasons with the cowboys...then a bunch with the Argo's....before that Maybe Jimmy Young who was traded by the Vikings for Joe Kapp....

interesting question....

**paulwoods13** · 01-26-2012, 02:58 PM

But did Schultz start regularly in Dallas? I don't think he was a starter for most of his time down there, in contrast to Kazcur. I think Jim Mills may also have started a bit in the NFL before coming to Canada, but not for several seasons.

Kane was a first-stringer in the NFL for quite a while -- I had forgotten about him.

**ArgoRavi** · 01-26-2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

But did Schultz start regularly in Dallas? I don't think he was a starter for most of his time down there, in contrast to Kazcur. I think Jim Mills may also have started a bit in the NFL before coming to Canada, but not for several seasons.

Kane was a first-stringer in the NFL for quite a while -- I had forgotten about him.

IIRC, Kane donated his Argo salary to charity. Unfortunately his life took a very dark turn a few years ago but that is a whole other story.

Unless a player is healthy enough and still has a great love for the game, the incentive isn't strong to make a move to the CFL after several years of starting and drawing the commensurate salary in the NFL.

**OV Argo** · 01-26-2012, 10:58 PM

Schad came back to the CFL/Ottawa Rough Riders in 95 or so Paul; and while NFL salaries (including minimum) may not have been as high as today, they were still by then wayyyyyyyyyyyy bigger than CFL pay-days, and also those were CFL is teetering on the brink type days too, so CFL pay-cheques were not on average that great. Schad would be one of the few examples of Canadian guys who played and started for awhile in the NFL, coming back to play in the CFL. Maybe he loved the game, liked playing close to home, wanted the pay-cheque - coulda been a combo of those factors.

I wonder if even if the likes of Kaczur, Federkeil if healthy enough would have had interest in showing up in the CFL to play for the Argos... or Tim Biakabatuka or Clifton Dawson, or maybe Cory Greenwood down the road?

The days of NFL to CFL salaries = "a lot closer" - more like the 70s maybe into the early 80s - Argos signed the likes of Terry Metcalf and Bruce Clark.

**argolio** · 01-26-2012, 11:22 PM

It was the NFL reaction to the USFL, and the drop-off in the CFL TV contract from '86 to '87 where the gap in salaries really took off.

**Argonauter** · 02-26-2012, 10:59 AM

According to the wiki article on Reinders he will be attending the NY Giants training camp again in 2012. Those wiki articles can be unreliable though but I just thought I'd post the update on him. I don't know why they'd have him back if he wasn't even on their practice roster last year and they already have seen him and didn't think enough of him to add him to their practice roster.

He was on the New York Giants roster for training camp in 2011, and will be returning for 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Reinders

**ArgoRavi** · 02-26-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Argonauter

According to the wiki article on Reinders he will be attending the NY Giants training camp again in 2012. Those wiki articles can be unreliable though but I just thought I'd post the update on him. I don't know why they'd have him back if he wasn't even on their practice roster last year and they already have seen him and didn't think enough of him to add him to their practice roster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Reinders

Reinders had a workout for the Giants in 2011 but was never in their training camp. I don't recall Reinders ever being on Cleveland's practice roster either as his wiki indicates. It sounds like the person who wrote this has a vivid imagination.

**Argonauter** · 02-27-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by ArgoRavi

Reinders had a workout for the Giants in 2011 but was never in their training camp. I don't recall Reinders ever being on Cleveland's practice roster either as his wiki indicates. It sounds like the person who wrote this has a vivid imagination.

Thanks for clearing that up Ravi. I don't know when this guy is going to grow up with a professional attitude and realize that the NFL is an elusive dream at best. He needs to come into Argos training camp and compete for a spot here to get his pro career going.

**ArgoGabe22** · 03-13-2012, 09:03 PM

According to my secret source that no one knows about. Reinders has signed a PR deal with the NY Giants.

**Argocister** · 03-13-2012, 10:52 PM

Also according to David Naylors twitter . ( http://twitter.com/#!/TSNDaveNaylor )
It will be very interesting to see how far he can make it on their roster. If he actually makes it onto the lineup, even dressing as a backup, it will be hats off to him for the hard work. He had very limited playing time in his CIS career and before. I believe he played basketball for the most part. Mind you, each team he works with teaches him more of the system.
Otherwise, ..... does the money he earns with these various tryouts and limited practice roster placements out weigh what he may receive from a CFL team? and then would a CFL team put the effort into training him?

**1argoholic** · 03-14-2012, 12:37 AM

Screw him and the horse he rode in on. Waste of a draft pick.

**argoooos** · 03-14-2012, 01:44 PM

he's a 4th round draft pick. how many 4th rounders aren't on the team anymore or never made it in the first place

**1argoholic** · 03-14-2012, 01:50 PM

A 4th round CFL pick should still be a quality player. We don't actually have huge numbers drafted every year.

**argoooos** · 03-14-2012, 02:16 PM

thats true and i'm not saying i don't want him to come play for us but if your argument is that he's not a quality player, look at who he just signed with. pretty sure they know what they're getting themselves into. all i'm saying is i think barker made a good call drafting him so low because if he happens to stick with an nfl team or gives up football altogether then its no skin off our back cause "wasting" a 4th round draft pick is not likely going to make or break our season.

**paulwoods13** · 03-14-2012, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by 1argoholic

A 4th round CFL pick should still be a quality player. We don't actually have huge numbers drafted every year.

As far as I know, only one guy chosen in the fourth round of the 2010 draft (Akeem Foster) is a regular in the CFL -- he was chosen one pick before Reinders so no can accuse the Argos of wasting the pick instead of taking Foster. Fifth round: two guys are regulars on special teams (Cauchy Muamba and Justin Palardy). Sixth round: none. So unless some guys develop late, that draft was essentially done by the third round.