Labour day rematch Game Thread

[R.J]

Thanks to everyone who came out. There’s always next year.

They're not mathematically out yet....

[Argo57]

The Ticat’s are light years better than the Argos in all aspects (including coaching) and deserved the win.
Nothing new today, zero answers for Masoli, Tasker and Banks, while it continues to amaze me how the Argo D allows such huge holes in their coverage schemes in which Hamilton easily took advantage of.
Simple Hamilton passes to the flats turned into long gainers along the sidelines with the Argo defenders out of position (poor coaching), Tuggle’s bad angle on Green’s late touchdown etc etc.
One deficiency in MBT’s game is accuracy on his deep throws which drove home how spoiled we’ve been in watching Ray these last few seasons.
Quality receiving depth does not exist with this year’s team as we rely on Green and Edwards way too much and continue to ignore Declan Cross.
2018 is rivaling 2016 for futility and frustration.
As always nice to see some friendly faces from this site at the game (Will, Angelo and Dean).

[paulwoods13]

The Ticat’s are light years better than the Argos in all aspects (including coaching) and deserved the win.

I agree. They are definitely the faves to come out of the East IMO. My two caveats are: 1. They've probably looked better than they actually are these past two games; and 2. If Masoli were to get hurt they have no depth behind him. But that said, they seem to be extremely well coached on both offence and defence, they play with emotion and intention, and their QB looks like a guy who can be a star in this league for years.

[paulwoods13]

I'd like to see the team fish or cut bait with guys like Woodson. If he is not a future starter, then this team needs to find some Canadian Backfield guys who have that potential. I'd say the future ratio balance would be greatly improved by this possibility. LT is another potential ratio changer, but Ryan Hunter won't be around for a while now. I'd like to see Woodson get some starts. Especially if they lose again to the Ticats.

I don't know why you mention Woodson specifically. He played 90-95% of the defensive snaps today and seems to have played most of them last week as well. The only time he wasn't on D today was a brief spell in the second quarter when they went with both Jordan and Dowling at LB; for most series, those two guys shared the same position, with Dowling in on passing downs and Jordan on running downs. Woodson played field corner and Roberson boundary; when Woodson was out briefly, they shuffled the secondary around and I don't remember who was at FC. Woodson has acquitted himself well on defence these past two weeks, and he's only in his second season (and missed a lot of his first with an injury). There is no reason to fish or cut bait with him for at least two more years, IMO.

During Obie's first tour of duty with the Argos, he used to say that a Canadian who couldn't develop into a starter by Year 3 (or Year 4 at the latest) was not worth keeping. But in those days more than half of the NATs on a roster had to start (10/19). Nowadays only one-third have to start, and with 44-man rosters there are plenty of spots for guys who play just (or mostly) special teams. Any NAT who can contribute regularly on specials is worth keeping; those who can develop into starters on O or D are extremely valuable. Woodson is already in the former category and seems to be moving nicely towards the latter.

Now a guy like Sackey is probably coming towards "fish or cut bait" territory. In his third season, he has rarely dressed, and showed in preseason he can't snap well enough to back up at centre. I could see him being released or allowed to walk as a FA after this season. But not Woodson, or Campbell, or Kolankowski, or any of the LBs who have rotated through. I think Evan Foster is as good as gone, what with Biewald now dressing ahead of him.

[Argo57]

I agree. They are definitely the faves to come out of the East IMO. My two caveats are: 1. They've probably looked better than they actually are these past two games; and 2. If Masoli were to get hurt they have no depth behind him. But that said, they seem to be extremely well coached on both offence and defence, they play with emotion and intention, and their QB looks like a guy who can be a star in this league for years.

I’ve always liked Masoli, underrated arm, very mobile and doesn’t get rattled .

[R.J]

I’ve always liked Masoli, underrated arm, very mobile and doesn’t get rattled .

Masoli does make a couple of dumb throws a game IMO, but I admit he's looking like the real deal. I'd love to have a mobile game breaker starting for the Argonauts...

[jerrym]

I can't see MBT being the answer because if you can't throw an accurate deep ball by age 30, I can't see it happening. However, I would not be surprised to see Trestman playing him without break game after game even if the results are far from good, given Trestman's history.

[Argo57]

Masoli does make a couple of dumb throws a game IMO, but I admit he's looking like the real deal. I'd love to have a mobile game breaker starting for the Argonauts...

Yes he does but he also has the ability to shake it off and carry on.

[R.J]

Yes he does but he also has the ability to shake it off and carry on.

Yup, and that's how you know he's a good QB. Admittedly wasn't sold on him early on, tbh I'm still not even sure why (probably the stupid throws), but I'm sold. And as you may know: I love mobile QB's as they can make stuff much happen (Strevler vs Nichols also shows this) - whereas when you have a pocket QB you're limited to so many other factors.

[Argo57]

Yup, and that's how you know he's a good QB. Admittedly wasn't sold on him early on, tbh I'm still not even sure why (probably the stupid throws), but I'm sold. And as you may know: I love mobile QB's as they can make stuff much happen (Strevler vs Nichols also shows this) - whereas when you have a pocket QB you're limited to so many other factors.

Mobile QB’s who are also good passers can make things very difficult for any D.

[R.J]

Mobile QB’s who are also good passers can make things very difficult for any D.

You should watch some of Prukop's College games - perfect example of what we're talking about. Franklin made some great throws in College as well - crazy how underrated his arm is around here.

[Will]

I have things to write but don't really feel like putting "pen to paper" right now.

This is the team we expected to see last year.

[lazycro]

Was nice to see Hogan at the CFL Fans in Toronto after

[Will]

Ok, I'm just going to babble randomly here so don't mind me:

Do we even care if we want to see whether it is the scheme or personnel? This pertains to the question of whether to fire Mike Archer. Yes, I want him to go bye bye but what will it accomplish?

Hey at least @TorontoArgos have a good culture and good men lmao

— D (@mdfargos) September 8, 2018

I know Trestman is seen as above criticism in some circles, but...

Is this offence different from 2012? It was at it's most effective with Durie and Owens out of the backfield and Chiles and Inman running deep. Teams had to respect that!

MBT is a good backup, doesn't turn the ball over much, but I still don't think he has the deep ball accuracy although he's been let down by his receivers sometimes.

Maybe I'll ramble on about something later...

[Antwon]

Playoffs are out the window. MBT is not the QB of the future. Trestman needs to realize most teams have figured out his offence.
Poor showing today. Hurts me to say but maybe they should fold the team for 3-5 years.

[Argo57]

You should watch some of Prukop's College games - perfect example of what we're talking about. Franklin made some great throws in College as well - crazy how underrated his arm is around here.

We have 7 games left to start unearthing some answers in regards to our quarterbacking future.

[Wobbler]

...maybe they should fold the team for 3-5 years.

Yikes! This was a disappointing game, but I think you might be overreacting.

[Argo57]

Playoffs are out the window. MBT is not the QB of the future. Trestman needs to realize most teams have figured out his offence.
Poor showing today. Hurts me to say but maybe they should fold the team for 3-5 years.

Can anyone explain yesterdays announcement that only 300 tickets were still available for today’s game then only 15,000 people show up?

[lazycro]

Can anyone explain yesterdays announcement that only 300 tickets were still available for today’s game then only 15,000 people show up?

Question for the Argos brass, is Toronto still being beaten up by scalper bots?

[Will]

Can anyone explain yesterdays announcement that only 300 tickets were still available for today’s game then only 15,000 people show up?

This is not the first time that Ticketmaster has held back.