James Franklin

[Argo57]

If MBT continues playing the way he is, I wouldn't count on this. Great to have Franklin back for short yardage situations though.

Disagree, if the Argos are eliminated from the playoffs (which they probably are in reality) they may as well give Franklin a look to make a final decision on his status moving forward.

[Neely2005]

Disagree, if the Argos are eliminated from the playoffs (which they probably are in reality) they may as well give Franklin a look to make a final decision on his status moving forward.

If I was Franklin I wouldn't believe anything the Argonauts tell/promise me. He still hasn't been given the chances that MBT has.

[Argo57]

If I was Franklin I wouldn't believe anything the Argonauts tell/promise me. He still hasn't been given the chances that MBT has.

Can’t argue with you on this one Neely, going back to last year the Argos have botched the development of James Franklin.
They know what they have in MBT, time for a proper extended evaluation of Franklin.

[gilthethrill]

Can’t argue with you on this one Neely, going back to last year the Argos have botched the development of James Franklin.
They know what they have in MBT, time for a proper extended evaluation of Franklin.

Over on the CFL.ca forum ivandiablo is calling for the heads of both Franklin and MBT....calling for Bridge to be resigned!

[argolio]

I like Franklin's talent and potential as much as the next guy, but I don't buy that he's some huge victim this year. It's not like he outplayed MBT in camp. He also has no track record as an established pro starter. This isn't Ricky Ray or BLM coming back from an injury.

[Argo57]

I like Franklin's talent and potential as much as the next guy, but I don't buy that he's some huge victim this year. It's not like he outplayed MBT in camp. He also has no track record as an established pro starter. This isn't Ricky Ray or BLM coming back from an injury.

The fact that he has no track record as a starter is the reason the Argos need to play him.
This season is over so player evaluation should be front and centre the rest of the way.

[Neely2005]

I like Franklin's talent and potential as much as the next guy, but I don't buy that he's some huge victim this year. It's not like he outplayed MBT in camp. He also has no track record as an established pro starter. This isn't Ricky Ray or BLM coming back from an injury.

HC promised Franklin in the off season that he'd be the Starter:

https://torontosun.com/sports/footba...-boss-chamblin

[paulwoods13]

HC promised Franklin in the off season that he'd be the Starter:

https://torontosun.com/sports/footba...-boss-chamblin

And the HC was true to his word. Then Franklin got hurt, and when he came back his replacement happened to be playing very well. It's one thing for a veteran not to lose his job because of injury (altho that adage doesn't really apply in the ruthless world of football), but Franklin was not a veteran and did not have the right to expect he'd simply be handed back his starting position.

[Jon Gonzo]

And the HC was true to his word. Then Franklin got hurt, and when he came back his replacement happened to be playing very well. It's one thing for a veteran not to lose his job because of injury (altho that adage doesn't really apply in the ruthless world of football), but Franklin was not a veteran and did not have the right to expect he'd simply be handed back his starting position.

And such an uninspired, disappointing start to a season where he was (again) given the keys to the car. This guy has got to realize that it's go-time. The game is not played on, or in the papers

[Neely2005]

And the HC was true to his word. Then Franklin got hurt, and when he came back his replacement happened to be playing very well. It's one thing for a veteran not to lose his job because of injury (altho that adage doesn't really apply in the ruthless world of football), but Franklin was not a veteran and did not have the right to expect he'd simply be handed back his starting position.

Who's the replacement that's playing very well? It sure as hell isn't MBT!

[ArgoGabe22]

Who's the replacement that's playing very well? It sure as hell isn't MBT!

I'm no fan of MBT but he's better than Franklin IMO. He's outplayed Franklin. MBT leads the league in TDs thrown and his TD-INT ratio the last few games is pretty darn good. Franklin is toast, he's done. MBT isn't the future but a great backup.

[Neely2005]

I'm no fan of MBT but he's better than Franklin IMO. He's outplayed Franklin. MBT leads the league in TDs thrown and his TD-INT ratio the last few games is pretty darn good. Franklin is toast, he's done. MBT isn't the future but a great backup.

I haven't seen nearly enough of Franklin as a Starter to make an assessment of him. MBT is what he is and that's Not a CFL Starter.

[paulwoods13]

Who's the replacement that's playing very well? It sure as hell isn't MBT!

You're seeing what you want to see, IMO. I see a QB who has been our best player the past four games, and played well enough for us to win at least two of them had the defence not been abysmal and the receivers not kept dropping catchable passes.

[Shatto]

I suspect most have been impressed to some extent or other, with MBT's performance over the last few games. The question is, whether he has shown enough, that the team would feel comfortable having him as the starting QB next year. Again, I suspect most would have real reservations if that were to occur.

Therefore the team must start looking at other options. Collaros, if healthy, could be a possibility but we are unlikely to know if he will be healthy until next season's training camp and the team can't afford the gamble. Franklin might be another possibility as he has shown his talent before he came to the Argos but since he has been with the team, he has demonstrated very little that would give the team confidence in him. Prukop is an unknown quantity, even though he has been with the team three years. Could he be another Fajardo? We will only know if he is provided sufficient playing time. O'Connor is a Canadian rookie and in spite of his obvious potential, playing behind this year's OL might actually be detrimental to his confidence and long term development.

MBT has shown he can be a more than adequate backup but Franklin and Prukop must now be given the bulk of the playing time, if the team is going to be able to make a decision on either player's future.

[paulwoods13]

I suspect most have been impressed to some extent or other, with MBT's performance over the last few games.

Some around here sure haven't.

[Neely2005]

You're seeing what you want to see, IMO. I see a QB who has been our best player the past four games, and played well enough for us to win at least two of them had the defence not been abysmal and the receivers not kept dropping catchable passes.

You're seeing what you want to see. I see a QB who continually under throws or over throws receivers and constantly doesn't see open receivers because he gets locked in on a receiver and can't read all his options.

[argolio]

You're seeing what you want to see. I see a QB who continually under throws or over throws receivers and constantly doesn't see open receivers because he gets locked in on a receiver and can't read all his options.

If all that was remotely true, then there is no way he would have put up the numbers he has for the last month. His passing efficiency since August 1st is top three, and that's with the worst running game in the league, an o-line that has given up the 2nd most sacks, and a defence that is last in points and yards given up, which means our passing game is under significantly more pressure to produce.

The idea that MBT is a huge problem on this team right now is pretty absurd.

HC promised Franklin in the off season that he'd be the Starter:

https://torontosun.com/sports/footba...-boss-chamblin

Know what that means right now? Nothing.

[paulwoods13]

Serious question: which CFL quarterback has played better than MBT over the past four games? I'm struggling to think of one -- maybe Adams.

Evans had some pedestrian games before last week, Streveler can only run, Fajardo is playing well but hardly lights out, Arbuckle has been OK but not outstanding, Harris is inconsistent, Reilly has been way below his former form, and the Ottawa guys are terrible.

In that four-game stretch, MBT has completed 69.5% of his passes for 1,344 yards (336 per game, 8.2 yards per attempt) with nine TDs and zero interceptions. Imagine what he could do if he didn't continually over-throw and under-throw receivers, lock in on a receiver and fail to read all his options.

[1971GreyCup]

Serious question: which CFL quarterback has played better than MBT over the past four games? I'm struggling to think of one -- maybe Adams.

Evans had some pedestrian games before last week, Streveler can only run, Fajardo is playing well but hardly lights out, Arbuckle has been OK but not outstanding, Harris is inconsistent, Reilly has been way below his former form, and the Ottawa guys are terrible.

In that four-game stretch, MBT has completed 69.5% of his passes for 1,344 yards (336 per game, 8.2 yards per attempt) with nine TDs and zero interceptions. Imagine what he could do if he didn't continually over-throw and under-throw receivers, lock in on a receiver and fail to read all his options.

I don’t think win/loss and second half completion statistics can be ignored. Vince Lombardi once said “statistics are for losers.”

[paulwoods13]

I will continue to ignore won/loss statistics until the end of time. So will Ricky Ray, and the voters who will put him into the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility.

But leave stats out of it -- which QB has played better over the last four games played?