June 30th 2012: Toronto Argonauts vs. Edmonton

**Scottish_Argo** · 07-01-2012, 09:33 AM

It took a while for the Argos to get into the game i felt Milanovich was playing too conservative but towards the end things started opening up and we finally started to use more of the field .

I don't think we got the best usage of Boyd as we would of liked too. Some of Ray's sacks there were WR's open but lets not forget the game was surrounded with the whole Ray back to Eskimos cloud which may of played on his head a bit .

I think it was 31/41 302 Yds and 1TD Ray went for , thats pretty damn impressive for going back to face your former team for in the 1st game of the season.

Im sure things will

**paulwoods13** · 07-01-2012, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Scottish_Argo

I think it was 31/41 302 Yds and 1TD Ray went for , thats pretty damn impressive for going back to face your former team for in the 1st game of the season.

Those are the numbers TSN showed on post-game coverage, but the official stats line is 29/39-298. It's up on cfl.ca. TSN keeps its own unofficial stats during the game but they usually vary slightly from the official numbers.

**tc23** · 07-01-2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Those are the numbers TSN showed on post-game coverage, but the official stats line is 29/39-298. It's up on cfl.ca. TSN keeps its own unofficial stats during the game but they usually vary slightly from the official numbers.

minus the Owens non catch that went for 52 yards so 298 minus 52 = 246 !!

**Scottish_Argo** · 07-01-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Those are the numbers TSN showed on post-game coverage, but the official stats line is 29/39-298. It's up on cfl.ca. TSN keeps its own unofficial stats during the game but they usually vary slightly from the official numbers.

Oh right thanks , TSN should get it right .....though the TSN numbers seem better

**paulwoods13** · 07-01-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by tc23

minus the Owens non catch that went for 52 yards so 298 minus 52 = 246 !!

Nice to see that all it took was Game 1 for the trolls to emerge.

**doubleblue** · 07-01-2012, 10:53 AM

Disappointing game. The penalties can be cleaned up in time. The O-Line has to be improved some how. But with all the negatives I still came away with the thought that the Argos are the better team and will prove it over the long haul. Edmonton was just hanging on at the end trying get the two points.
I see Edmonton finishing fourth in the west. Argo second in the east.

**Stevoman** · 07-01-2012, 11:14 AM

16 penalties is inexcusable. 2 for 4 on field goals is inexcusable. Dropped ball in the endzone, inexcusable. These are things that will not continue all season. We will be fine.

**tc23** · 07-01-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Nice to see that all it took was Game 1 for the trolls to emerge.

Well seriously, with all the Hype of Ray. You have to be a little disappoimted. I was expecting him to rack it up like he did in 2005 !

**bluto** · 07-01-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by tc23

Well seriously, with all the Hype of Ray. You have to be a little disappoimted. I was expecting him to rack it up like he did in 2005 !

you're right... a 300 yard game in a brand new offence is just plain crap. string him up!

YCNMIU

**Hollaway** · 07-01-2012, 12:07 PM

I was a bit disappointed as well, kicking game was horrible, 16 penalties, offence struggled, but one good thing I thought, was the defence, they were solid, I don't understand why they got rid of Grant Shaw, now we have a 38 year old kicker who can't kick anymore.

**ArgoRavi** · 07-01-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Hollaway

I was a bit disappointed as well, kicking game was horrible, 16 penalties, offence struggled, but one good thing I thought, was the defence, they were solid, I don't understand why they got rid of Grant Shaw, now we have a 38 year old kicker who can't kick anymore.

They had to move Shaw to get Ray. I like Shaw a lot but that trade doesn't happen without him. The Esks weren't going to go with Jyles and a first rounder alone for Ray. And sending Prefontaine and his sizable salary back to Edmonton wasn't going to happen. Prefontaine's FG kicking has never been better over the last couple of years so hopefully last night was just a blip.

Originally Posted by argofan87

I'll preface this by saying I didn't watch the game, I'm in Montreal and as much as I love the Argos, I also love downtown Montreal.

Understandable. I love downtown Montreal myself.

Originally Posted by argofan87

Were the penalties the Argos took ones that negated any big plays by the O?

A beautiful TD pass to Spencer Watt in the fourth quarter was called back due to a holding penalty on Jonathan St-Pierre who was playing tight end. If St-Pierre hadn't dragged his defender down though, Ray likely doesn't get that pass off. What really stung was Prefontaine hitting the upright a couple of plays later on a short FG attempt. Even if he had missed it more and gotten a point out of it, we would have been in a position where we only needed a FG at the end to tie the game and force OT.

**1argoholic** · 07-01-2012, 02:10 PM

Well my biggest worries all showed up yesterday. You have a very rookie filled team that is going to take time to grow. You still have recievers that are having trouble getting open. Then Watt gets open for a nice td and it's called back. The O line looked like clowns at a bad circus for plenty of the night. They are going to take time to grow together. I don't think Boyd will work as your check down guy. That was obvious. He doesn't have that fast burst from a dead stop. He looked like a poor calf at the Calgary Stampede most of the night. We've seen this play out game in and game out for how many years now. You need experience and with the turn over we have year in and year out how do you get that. The thing that bummed me the most was that Milanovich stressed all training camp about ZERO penalties and obviously that was blown out of the water. Also perhaps some of these rookie D guys under estimated the talent and speed up here in the great white north. WOW did some guys take real bad tackling lines and were made to look like bambi on ice. Finally I don't blame Ray but holy crap Ricky howmany years did you play in Edmonton? Think you'd know what type of shoes to wear. How many times did Ray slip while dropping back?
Finally Commonwealth folks do something about the friggin track beyond the endzones before someone has a career ended. Roll out some bloody padding. Watkins was it could have broked a wrist with the way he slipped at full speed and fell backwards landing on his hands.

GO STAMPS GO! If my second favorite team wins look at the bright side we'll be tied for first in the east. Looks like it's going to be a wild and crazy 2012.

**Wobbler** · 07-01-2012, 02:20 PM

One positive: I thought Keeping did a good job at center. There were no problems with the snap at all, and I didn't notice him getting beaten by Edmonton's pass rush.

One negative: Because Keeping is now our center he isn't available to play TE, so we're forced to put Jonathan St. Pierre out there. Yeesh. That might be acceptable on a short yardage plunge, but JSP is much too slow to be a competent TE in pass protection.

I'm concerned about our depth at OL. Neither Jones nor St. Pierre is worth dressing, IMHO. It seems as though we're just crossing our fingers and A) hoping everyone stays healthy and B) Holmes and/or Reinders shows up in September.

**1argoholic** · 07-01-2012, 02:22 PM

No panic but hell more pissed off. How can your coach stress no penalties for weeks during camp and then you come out and take a ton. It just sucks the life out of a team. I hope our rookies can develop fast. It takes more than a few games to learn our league. The next few weeks are extemely important. If we continue with the same habits it could be a long year.

**Stevoman** · 07-01-2012, 02:44 PM

[QUOTE=1argoholic;9325}

GO STAMPS GO! If my second favorite team wins look at the bright side we'll be tied for first in the east. Looks like it's going to be a wild and crazy 2012.[/QUOTE]

Next week should be a fun one for you!

**DanTheFan** · 07-01-2012, 07:37 PM

Anybody notice this piece of news regarding Andre Proulx?

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=399721

Supposedly he'll return to action in a few weeks.

**Fungi** · 07-01-2012, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by paulwoods13

Nice to see that all it took was Game 1 for the trolls to emerge.

Not a surprise of course. I'll never understand the infatuation TC fans have with Argo forums. It's almost always either trolling or looking for money. Believe me, I give money to charities big time.
The Argo facebook page is evidence. I don't know how many times I look it up and there's another TC fan Typing in "Argos suck"...Giggle, giggle...Sigh...I don't get it.
And if any one has a problem with what I just said...Don't PM me. Man up and say it!

**argolio** · 07-01-2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by DanTheFan

Anybody notice this piece of news regarding Andre Proulx?

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=399721

Supposedly he'll return to action in a few weeks.

Good to hear he'll be okay. He's one of the best refs in the league.

**T-Bone** · 07-01-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by bluto

disagree. they bought enough time to creating something almost every play...

some pundits were expecting them to be a cluster-f... for a brand new line, in their first game together, on slippery grass, i wasn't discouraged by them.

Commonwealth Stadium has had FieldTurf since 2010.