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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    After the rough start he had when introduced as the new commish, I thought Orridge was doing much better of late.
    In fact, I loved how he came down to talk to the crowd while attending games for the Argos.
    Last summer I spoke to him for several minutes, he was very nice, attentive and concerned about the view held by the paying fans.
    So I mentioned to him how the TV contract was a bad financial signing and he could not agree more.
    In fact, he mentioned during the next renewal he was going to create a bidding war and what was sadly lacking at the last one.
    He agreed with me how the CFL property was grossly undervalued.
    Suggested it could be $100M per year and that he expected interest from other parties as well as TSN, therefore creating a bidding war.
    Sadly he won't be able to see this come to fruition.
    if he wanted to produce a bidding war in the next television contract that could have resulted in the board of governors turning on him... remember that Bell now has financial interest in the league and wouldn't want their TSN to lose their contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argotom View Post
    In fact, he mentioned during the next renewal he was going to create a bidding war and what was sadly lacking at the last one.
    He agreed with me how the CFL property was grossly undervalued.
    Suggested it could be $100M per year and that he expected interest from other parties as well as TSN, therefore creating a bidding war.
    Sadly he won't be able to see this come to fruition.
    Easy for him to say, given that the league is years away from renegotiating its next TV deal (if there even still is conventional TV to negotiate with when the time comes). Could have just as easily been telling you what you wanted to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Easy for him to say, given that the league is years away from renegotiating its next TV deal (if there even still is conventional TV to negotiate with when the time comes). Could have just as easily been telling you what you wanted to hear.
    Yes he could have been giving me the answer to what I wanted to hear, but I didn't get that impression of the man.
    He appeared sincere.

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    Yeah, being a lawyer is meaningless. A bag boy would be just as qualified in a role as complex as a commissioner.
    No one said THAT qualifies him, but it's not like you just roll out of bed to become a lawyer. It can say something about your abilities. I have no idea what Forde's professional credentials are besides former player, and broadcaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argos1873 View Post
    Yeah, being a lawyer is meaningless. A bag boy would be just as qualified in a role as complex as a commissioner.
    No one said THAT qualifies him, but it's not like you just roll out of bed to become a lawyer. It can say something about your abilities.
    It can say something about your knowledge of the law (albeit there are many different types of law, and no one practises or is expert in all of them), and it certainly can say something about your ability to learn and think through complex subjects. You clearly need to be smart and hard-working to get through any reputable law school and be called to the bar. But does simply doing so say anything about your ability to attract new customers, increase revenue, grow a business? I'd say No.

    If we need a commissioner to negotiate a lot of contracts and fight a lot of legal challenges, then a lawyer might be best choice (altho, again, what type of lawyer -- real estate? tax? corporate? labour? estate?). But if we need someone to provide leadership and pull together a group of disparate stakeholders who compete aggressively against one another, and to develop sustainable new streams of revenue, what evidence is there to support appointing a lawyer over someone who has actually done those things, or has demonstrated the aptitude/potential to do so? I'm sure Climie is a smart and accomplished lawyer, but has he done anything in his career that suggests he could grow this business into one that is profitable in all markets and provides a better living for the players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    If we need a commissioner to negotiate a lot of contracts and fight a lot of legal challenges, then a lawyer might be best choice (altho, again, what type of lawyer -- real estate? tax? corporate? labour? estate?). But if we need someone to provide leadership and pull together a group of disparate stakeholders who compete aggressively against one another, and to develop sustainable new streams of revenue, what evidence is there to support appointing a lawyer over someone who has actually done those things, or has demonstrated the aptitude/potential to do so? I'm sure Climie is a smart and accomplished lawyer, but has he done anything in his career that suggests he could grow this business into one that is profitable in all markets and provides a better living for the players?
    And what has Pinball done that everyone keeps throwing his name at every job possible? No former player has been a commissioner in any other sport but for some reason CFL fans and media are calling for former players like Pinball, Forde, Climie and Suitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    And what has Pinball done that everyone keeps throwing his name at every job possible? No former player has been a commissioner in any other sport but for some reason CFL fans and media are calling for former players like Pinball, Forde, Climie and Suitor.
    we want people who knows ow the league and the Canadian game inside and out and be someone that the fans can get behind and support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BATKINSON001 View Post
    we want people who knows ow the league and the Canadian game inside and out and be someone that the fans can get behind and support.
    If that's the only requirement to become Commissioner, there must be hundreds of candidates out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BATKINSON001 View Post
    we want people who knows ow the league and the Canadian game inside and out and be someone that the fans can get behind and support.
    Orridge, Cohon, John Tory, Tom Wright - none of them knew football or the Canadian game. They were all CEO type people, Orridge negotiated the Olympic rights for the CBC and with FIFA for the World Cup. Cohon was an NBA executive and head of international development.
    Bettman is head of the NHL he didn't know anything about hockey but he got them a huge TV contract. He probably saved every struggling team in the NHL.

    The last time we had an ex CFL player as the commish we gained the Las Vegas Posse, the Barracudas and lost the Ottawa Roughriders.
    The new commish will be someone that CFL fans have never heard of. They will possibly come from the NBA or MLB and they may not be Canadian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    It can say something about your knowledge of the law (albeit there are many different types of law, and no one practises or is expert in all of them), and it certainly can say something about your ability to learn and think through complex subjects. You clearly need to be smart and hard-working to get through any reputable law school and be called to the bar. But does simply doing so say anything about your ability to attract new customers, increase revenue, grow a business? I'd say No.

    If we need a commissioner to negotiate a lot of contracts and fight a lot of legal challenges, then a lawyer might be best choice (altho, again, what type of lawyer -- real estate? tax? corporate? labour? estate?).
    But if we need someone to provide leadership and pull together a group of disparate stakeholders who compete aggressively against one another, and to develop sustainable new streams of revenue, what evidence is there to support appointing a lawyer over someone who has actually done those things, or has demonstrated the aptitude/potential to do so? I'm sure Climie is a smart and accomplished lawyer, but has he done anything in his career that suggests he could grow this business into one that is profitable in all markets and provides a better living for the players?
    That's what having capable legal counsel is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    And what has Pinball done that everyone keeps throwing his name at every job possible? No former player has been a commissioner in any other sport but for some reason CFL fans and media are calling for former players like Pinball, Forde, Climie and Suitor.
    There is a reason for it. Reason is; it has worked before.

    The CFL's longest tenured and glory years Commish was Jake Gaudaur, who won two Grey Cups as a player and played for the Argos, Als and Ticats.

    Larry Smith and Bill Baker were also former CFL Players.

    Larry Smith is a Lawyer and Senator. Doug Mitchell is Lawyer. John Tory is a Lawyer and a Mayor. Orridge is a Lawyer from Harvard.

    So yes, Law is a benefit that has aided many, many executives, including in the CFL.

    Pinball Clemons has been a Grey Cup winning Player & Coach, he has been in the Front Office as a VP and President and has sat on the board as a Governor

    He's in the HOF, had his number retired and is one of the most popular players to ever play in the CFL. He is one of the best and most sought after motivational speakers there is and the press absolutely falls all over him. The Conservatives have been begging for Pinner to run for years now. There's a chance he'll be a future Senator.

    I think the question would be better stated as "what HASN'T Pinball accomplished that he ever set his mind too?"

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    Sorry but having your number retired and being in the HOF means squat to me, at least in regards to being a suitable candidate for the Commissioner job. Nothing against Pinball but I'm not exactly sure if Pinball really did anything when he was VP of the Argos. To me that title sounded more honorary. Pinball even said it himself that his job was to be the team's #1 fan. Not sure he did anything in the business sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    Sorry but having your number retired and being in the HOF means squat to me, at least in regards to being a suitable candidate for the Commissioner job. Nothing against Pinball but I'm not exactly sure if Pinball really did anything when he was VP of the Argos. To me that title sounded more honorary. Pinball even said it himself that his job was to be the team's #1 fan. Not sure he did anything in the business sense.
    The guy does have a degree in economics from William and Mary University.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shayman View Post
    The guy does have a degree in economics from William and Mary University.
    Ok, now we're talking.

    A little off topic but interestingly, Marc Trestman is a member of the Florida Bar.

    http://www.floridabar.org/wps/portal...Eh/?mid=368482

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    Ok, now we're talking.

    A little off topic but interestingly, Marc Trestman is a member of the Florida Bar.

    http://www.floridabar.org/wps/portal/flbar/home\2
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    Ok, now we're talking.

    A little off topic but interestingly, Marc Trestman is a member of the Florida Bar.

    http://www.floridabar.org/wps/portal...Eh/?mid=368482

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    Gaudaur was indeed the league's most successful commissioner. That was in an era when CFL teams' revenues and expenses were comparable to NFL teams', there were only three Cdn NHL teams, no basketball team, and baseball at first didn't exist in Canada and then was in start-up mode. It's just not a comparable situation IMO.

    How successful were the tenures of Mitchell, Baker, Smith and Tory?

    Mitchell: Montreal folded, the rich TV deal Gaudaur negotiated disappeared, CTV left, Calgary came close to folding, Sask had to run telethns.

    Baker: Several teams were on life support during his tenure.

    Smith: See Baker, plus U.S. expansion (which arguably kept the league alive but was far from a roaring success).

    Tory: Had to go begging to NFL for cash to keep the league afloat; had to give away 4,000 tickets to Grey Cup in Hamilton.

    Not sure I'd argue any of those guys as evidence of how important being a lawyer is. And then of course there's Orridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgoGabe22 View Post
    Ok, now we're talking.

    A little off topic but interestingly, Marc Trestman is a member of the Florida Bar.

    http://www.floridabar.org/wps/portal...Eh/?mid=368482
    I'm all for the coach/Commissioner duo role in this case.



    In all seriousness, this is the truth of the situation. Different times. The league really had no obstacles to overcome in Gaudaur's era.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    Gaudaur was indeed the league's most successful commissioner. That was in an era when CFL teams' revenues and expenses were comparable to NFL teams', there were only three Cdn NHL teams, no basketball team, and baseball at first didn't exist in Canada and then was in start-up mode. It's just not a comparable situation IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    It can say something about your knowledge of the law (albeit there are many different types of law, and no one practises or is expert in all of them), and it certainly can say something about your ability to learn and think through complex subjects. You clearly need to be smart and hard-working to get through any reputable law school and be called to the bar. But does simply doing so say anything about your ability to attract new customers, increase revenue, grow a business? I'd say No.

    If we need a commissioner to negotiate a lot of contracts and fight a lot of legal challenges, then a lawyer might be best choice (altho, again, what type of lawyer -- real estate? tax? corporate? labour? estate?). But if we need someone to provide leadership and pull together a group of disparate stakeholders who compete aggressively against one another, and to develop sustainable new streams of revenue, what evidence is there to support appointing a lawyer over someone who has actually done those things, or has demonstrated the aptitude/potential to do so? I'm sure Climie is a smart and accomplished lawyer, but has he done anything in his career that suggests he could grow this business into one that is profitable in all markets and provides a better living for the players?
    Well, I was mostly comparing him to Duane Forde as that was who was also mentioned. Not to every other potential candidate. And I added that he is a lawyer, because I believe it is an asset that helps him, not hurts him. In no way am I advocating for Climie, he was just mentioned as someone to consider along with Forde, and if it were between those 2 I would be prefer Climie, and him being a lawyer, helps. I also wasn't advocating that lawyers need be only considered.

    I agree with you by the way, I only think you are not understanding what I'm saying. To sum up, I like Climie over Forde, I don't think either will ever be considered, and Climie being a lawyer helps him due to the skills required to become one, but doesn't automatically qualify him. Apologies if I didn't make that clear.

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