Ray to return for 2018

[argolio]

Excellent news! We have as much or more QB talent and flexibility than any team in the league. I wouldn't be surprised to see both Ray and Franklin lead us to multiple wins this season.

As far as this talk of the possibility of the cap going up significantly, it's not possible without a huge increase in TV rights fees. Without that, where exactly is the money coming from?

Union Pearson Express is a perfect example. Introduced at high prices, and they lost a ton of money. Cut prices significantly and bingo, making money.

UPE isn't making money. It's just losing less since they cut prices.

[1971GreyCup]

Excellent news! We have as much or more QB talent and flexibility than any team in the league. I wouldn't be surprised to see both Ray and Franklin lead us to multiple wins this season.

As far as this talk of the possibility of the cap going up significantly, it's not possible without a huge increase in TV rights fees. Without that, where exactly is the money coming from?

UPE isn't making money. It's just losing less since they cut prices.

That's a question for President Bill Manning. How do they fund the 2 big TFC contracts with a significant TV deal?

[AngeloV]

That's a question for President Bill Manning. How do they fund the 2 big TFC contracts with a significant TV deal?

Simple answer? It's allowed in that league. The CFL still has to OK every single player contract that is signed before it becomes official. The league will not allow those types of contracts, therefore they will not happen.

[R.J]

Simple answer? It's allowed in that league. The CFL still has to OK every single player contract that is signed before it becomes official. The league will not allow those types of contracts, therefore they will not happen.

For years, Anthony Calvillo supposedly had a $250-300k deal that went through the League and a $200+k personal services contract with Bob Wetenhall Sr. The League might have no issue with the "Publicly Owned" teams, but privately owned teams can do a lot of back door type of deals without anyone knowing.

I'd like to see an exemption on the SMS for starting QB contracts. I think it'll go a long way, but I also think there should be a cap on it, say $600k. When you think about it, CFL QB salaries haven't risen much over the last 30 years, take out Flutie's personal services contract with the Argonauts and it seems as though $400-500k has been the going rate for quite some time. Didn't Dunigan want/make around $450k when he left the Argos ?

[paulwoods13]

I'd like to see an exemption on the SMS for starting QB contracts. I think it'll go a long way, but I also think there should be a cap on it, say $600k. When you think about it, CFL QB salaries haven't risen much over the last 30 years, take out Flutie's personal services contract with the Argonauts and it seems as though $400-500k has been the going rate for quite some time. Didn't Dunigan want/make around $450k when he left the Argos ?

Curious to know in what way you think a QB exemption would benefit the league? Are there good QBs who won't come to the CFL for the current going rate, but would for another couple hundred grand? Are we losing QBs to the NFL? Would Canadians be more impressed with the CFL if QBs were all making half a mil or more? If we were to do this, shouldn't it be to fill some need rather than simply to address the fact that QB salaries have not kept pace with inflation?

[1971GreyCup]

For years, Anthony Calvillo supposedly had a $250-300k deal that went through the League and a $200+k personal services contract with Bob Wetenhall Sr. The League might have no issue with the "Publicly Owned" teams, but privately owned teams can do a lot of back door type of deals without anyone knowing.

I'd like to see an exemption on the SMS for starting QB contracts. I think it'll go a long way, but I also think there should be a cap on it, say $600k. When you think about it, CFL QB salaries haven't risen much over the last 30 years, take out Flutie's personal services contract with the Argonauts and it seems as though $400-500k has been the going rate for quite some time. Didn't Dunigan want/make around $450k when he left the Argos ?

That's interesting. So in 2018 terms, Matt Dunigan's salary should be around $800,000. Considering prices have escalated about 80%* since 1991, players wages have woefully lagged behind.

Certainly tickets prices haven't stood pat. Last time I looked, 1992 lower bowl Argos tickets were $13 each.

Looking forward to professional management of the teams and the league.


*According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index

[AngeloV]

That's interesting. So in 2018 terms, Matt Dunigan's salary should be around $800,000. Considering prices have escalated about 80%* since 1991, players wages have woefully lagged behind.

Certainly tickets prices haven't stood pat. Last time I looked, 1992 lower bowl Argos tickets were $13 each.

Looking forward to professional management of the teams and the league.


*According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index

Again, nevermind the fact that the league was on the verge of folding in the 90's. Without cost certainty, I can guarantee that the new owners in the league today would have kicked tires, but not bought in. Do salaries need to be tied more to revenues? Absolutely. But to throw money around by having designated contracts would be playing Russian roulette for the league IMO.

I would say that ticket prices have MAX doubled (not including the some 300 or so premium seats on field level) in the last 25 years. Well. so pretty much has the salary cap since it was first put in. The cap started below 3M. This $13 lower bowl ticket is such BS. I remember sitting lower bowl end zone in the 90's on occassion, and they were $20 then. When the dome opened in '89, 500 level seats between the 30's were $26-$32. I know for a fact because I sat there. You need to stop pulling such BS numbers out of your ass. And rather than whining on here all the time, why have I not seen you voice your opinion at town halls or open mic night?

[R.J]

This is the first I've heard of that. The league has made it clear that personal services deals aren't allowed, so I have my doubts whether or not this is fact.

Ask Herb Zurkowsky or the guy who runs the CFL News account.

Again, nevermind the fact that the league was on the verge of folding in the 90's. Without cost certainty, I can guarantee that the new owners in the league today would have kicked tires, but not bought in. Do salaries need to be tied more to revenues? Absolutely. But to throw money around by having designated contracts would be playing Russian roulette for the league IMO.

I would say that ticket prices have MAX doubled (not including the some 300 or so premium seats on field level) in the last 25 years. Well. so pretty much has the salary cap since it was first put in. The cap started below 3M. This $13 lower bowl ticket is such BS. I remember sitting lower bowl end zone in the 90's on occassion, and they were $20 then. When the dome opened in '89, 500 level seats between the 30's were $26-$32. I know for a fact because I sat there. You need to stop pulling such BS numbers out of your ass. And rather than whining on here all the time, why have I not seen you voice your opinion at town halls or open mic night?

The previous "cap" was a farce, as very few if any aside from the Renegades actually spent at or under the cap. The Ottawa Renegades made news about it, essentially stating that they were the only team to stick to the cap, Eric Tillman has also brought up on multiple occasions how he was handcuffed in Ottawa, and couldn't spend what other teams were spending.

As for ticket prices: They've jump up quite a bit in 7 years. Technically 5 years, as ticket prices have been the same since 2016.
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Team's seem to have money for balloon coaching staffs and business administration, and yet player salaries have barely budged.

[ArgoGabe22]

I would say that ticket prices have MAX doubled (not including the some 300 or so premium seats on field level) in the last 25 years. Well. so pretty much has the salary cap since it was first put in. The cap started below 3M. This $13 lower bowl ticket is such BS. I remember sitting lower bowl end zone in the 90's on occassion, and they were $20 then. When the dome opened in '89, 500 level seats between the 30's were $26-$32. I know for a fact because I sat there. You need to stop pulling such BS numbers out of your ass. And rather than whining on here all the time, why have I not seen you voice your opinion at town halls or open mic night?

In 1992, prices were 10, 15, 21, 26, 32, 40 and $43. Not sure which areas specifically but those were the official single game prices.

[AngeloV]

For years, Anthony Calvillo supposedly had a $250-300k deal that went through the League and a $200+k personal services contract with Bob Wetenhall Sr. The League might have no issue with the "Publicly Owned" teams, but privately owned teams can do a lot of back door type of deals without anyone knowing.

I'd like to see an exemption on the SMS for starting QB contracts. I think it'll go a long way, but I also think there should be a cap on it, say $600k. When you think about it, CFL QB salaries haven't risen much over the last 30 years, take out Flutie's personal services contract with the Argonauts and it seems as though $400-500k has been the going rate for quite some time. Didn't Dunigan want/make around $450k when he left the Argos ?

This is the first I've heard of that. The league has made it clear that personal services deals aren't allowed, so I have my doubts whether or not this is fact.

[ArgoRavi]

This is the first I've heard of that. The league has made it clear that personal services deals aren't allowed, so I have my doubts whether or not this is fact.

The last guy I can recall who had a personal services contract was Doug Flutie in Calgary with Larry Ryckman. I believe that personal services deals were outlawed at some point in the 1990s.

[ArgoZ]

The last guy I can recall who had a personal services contract was Doug Flutie in Calgary with Larry Ryckman. I believe that personal services deals were outlawed at some point in the 1990s.

Perfect example how those side deals don't always work out. Flutie was only paid his CFL salary in his last year in Calgary and Rykman didn't come through with all those personal deals. He was owed over a million dollars and is one of the reasons he came to Toronto. I believe the Argos helped with the tab if I recall correctly.