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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    He might have got a decent raise if he had kept his big, whining mouth shut. Instead, he became a legend in his own mind, who figures he's bigger than the Argo TEAM and is some sort of superior NFL talent.

    The guy had a handful of really good games for the Argos, plus made that real nice clutch catch in the East Final winning drive; he also did littl;e in some other games; he's also vastly over-rated by some here IMO; his ultra weak 7 carries for 15 yards in the GC game can easily be replaced. "Main reason" my @r$e.
    I think your summary is dead on OV.
    When he started pleading his case through social media right after declaring he wanted to gain 1000 +1000 yards in 2018 in Toronto he lost credibility with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argo57 View Post
    I think your summary is dead on OV.
    I disagree. Without him and his "handful" of good games, Argos may have missed the playoffs, let alone win the Grey Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I disagree. Without him and his "handful" of good games, Argos may have missed the playoffs, let alone win the Grey Cup.
    He undeniably did play well and seemed like a great team player unfortunately his off season negotiation methods and social media sympathy campaign say otherwise.
    I suspect he may have already received a raise for 2018 if he had handled things differently but who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeloV View Post
    I disagree. Without him and his "handful" of good games, Argos may have missed the playoffs, let alone win the Grey Cup.
    The Argos were, I believe, 4-7 when the decision was made to make Wilder the primary RB. The team went 5-2 down the stretch and he was injured for one of those losses. He obviously wasn't responsible for all of that, but I don't think you can deny the impact he had.

    And, no R.J this does not mean I'm declaring him a legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argofans.com View Post
    The Argos were, I believe, 4-7 when the decision was made to make Wilder the primary RB. The team went 5-2 down the stretch and he was injured for one of those losses. He obviously wasn't responsible for all of that, but I don't think you can deny the impact he had.

    And, no R.J this does not mean I'm declaring him a legend.
    Originally Posted by R.J
    Aside from one big catch in the East Final, I thought Wilder was non existent in the playoffs. Everyone is replaceable.
    One of the big factors in the turnaround is that once other team's saw the damage Wilder could do as a runner, they no longer could pin back their ears and salivate at the prospect of going all out to pressure or sack Ray. In the Eastern Final when the Riders were keying on him, it helped Ricky go 28/39. In addition, Wilder gained 104 yards, 14/52 on the ground and 8/52 receiving, so while not record-setting nor even typical of his earlier performances, it was certainly not nothing.

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