Great crowds this weekend (earlier start to the season was a mistake)

[Neely2005]

Partly, yes. If you can move 11 percent of the season to months where more people attend games, why wouldn't you?

Where are all the greatly attended games from mid-June to mid-August?

Our best attended regular season games have been in June and August.

[AngeloV]

Our best attended regular season games have been in June and August.

That's a real stretch, in fact, an outright lie.



2017:
June 25: 13,583 (Hamilton)
June 30: 11,219 (BC)
August crowds that year were 11,616 (Calgary) and 16,326 (Montreal)
Oct 7: 15,102 (Saskatchewan)
Oct 21: 15,532 (Winnipeg)

So the October crowds were bigger than 3 of the 4 June and August crowds, and the only one bigger was the CNE game which the Argos always offer ticket deals on.

2016 and 2018 the Argos were really bad and late in the year when the team is out of the playoffs is a hard sell, period. If the team is in contention, late season games will sell.

But again, believe what you want.

**Edit...1 July game that year. Even with Doug Flutie bobblehead night, the crowd was 15,801 vs Ottawa so statistically speaking, summer games do not sell better than fall games.
**Additional edit (I guess I have too much time on my hands)

2016:
5 dates in June/July and August (excluding first ever game at BMO as it was a one off) : Average Attendance of 15,230 (12373,16048,15063,15157,17509)
3 dates in September/October: Average Attendance of 15,487 (17214,14224,15023)

2017
5 dates in June/July and August : Average Attendance of 13709 (13583,11219,11616,16326,15801)
4 dates om September/October: Average Attendance of 14,169 (13182,12862,15532,15102)

2018:
5 dates in June/July and August: Average attendance: 13,890 (16450,12196,10844,11857,18104)
4 dates in September/October: Average Attendance of 14,611 (15702,14479,14184,14080)

For the record, The 6 lowest attended games since the move to BMO have all come prior to Labour Day and all in June or July.

[Neely2005]

That's a real stretch, in fact, an outright lie.



2017:
June 25: 13,583 (Hamilton)
June 30: 11,219 (BC)
August crowds that year were 11,616 (Calgary) and 16,326 (Montreal)
Oct 7: 15,102 (Saskatchewan)
Oct 21: 15,532 (Winnipeg)

So the October crowds were bigger than 3 of the 4 June and August crowds, and the only one bigger was the CNE game which the Argos always offer ticket deals on.

2016 and 2018 the Argos were really bad and late in the year when the team is out of the playoffs is a hard sell, period. If the team is in contention, late season games will sell.

But again, believe what you want.

**Edit...1 July game that year. Even with Doug Flutie bobblehead night, the crowd was 15,801 vs Ottawa so statistically speaking, summer games do not sell better than fall games.
**Additional edit (I guess I have too much time on my hands)

2016:
5 dates in June/July and August (excluding first ever game at BMO as it was a one off) : Average Attendance of 15,230 (12373,16048,15063,15157,17509)
3 dates in September/October: Average Attendance of 15,487 (17214,14224,15023)

2017
5 dates in June/July and August : Average Attendance of 13709 (13583,11219,11616,16326,15801)
4 dates om September/October: Average Attendance of 14,169 (13182,12862,15532,15102)

2018:
5 dates in June/July and August: Average attendance: 13,890 (16450,12196,10844,11857,18104)
4 dates in September/October: Average Attendance of 14,611 (15702,14479,14184,14080)

For the record, The 6 lowest attended games since the move to BMO have all come prior to Labour Day and all in June or July.

Good to see you back but I thought that you were done replying?

You seem to have misunderstood what I'm saying. Our best attended games took place in the months of June and August:

June 23, 2016 Attendance 24,812
August 31, 2016 Attendance 17,509
August 19, 2017 Attendance 16,326
August 18, 2018 Attendance 18,104
June 23, 2018 Attendance 16, 450
June 22, 2019 Attendance 16, 734
August 16, 2019 Attendance 16,490

[AngeloV]

Good to see you back but I thought that you were done replying?

You seem to have misunderstood what I'm saying. Our best attended games took place in the months of June and August:

June 23, 2016 Attendance 24,812
August 31, 2016 Attendance 17,509
August 19, 2017 Attendance 16,326
August 18, 2018 Attendance 18,104
June 23, 2018 Attendance 16, 450
June 22, 2019 Attendance 16, 734
August 16, 2019 Attendance 16,490

And at the same time I provided numbers showing the 6 lowest attended games were also played from June thru August. If your going to count the first ever game at BMO which was a special event, then you have to count the playoff game too, no?

You also have to factor in the fact that 4 of those highly attended games which you have provided numbers for were during the EX. Highly promoted and discounted.

[Neely2005]

And at the same time I provided numbers showing the 6 lowest attended games were also played from June thru August. If your going to count the first ever game at BMO which was a special event, then you have to count the playoff game too, no?

You also have to factor in the fact that 4 of those highly attended games which you have provided numbers for were during the EX. Highly promoted and discounted.

Good to see that you're still replying.

You're arguing something that I'm not. All I said is that our best attended Regular Season games (@ BMO Field) All took place in June and August.

Almost every Regular Season home game has some kind of promotion, Family Day, Concert Series, Country Night, Fan Appreciation Day, Military Night, Bobblehead Night...

[AngeloV]

Good to see that you're still replying.

You're arguing something that I'm not. All I said is that our best attended Regular Season games (@ BMO Field) All took place in June and August.

Almost every Regular Season home game has some kind of promotion, Family Day, Concert Series, Country Night, Fan Appreciation Day, Military Night, Bobblehead Night...

My point is you are only looking at it from the one perspective. Again, how can you not note that their 6 lowest attended games came during June-Aug months? The overall average is higher for September and October. So I really don't know what point you are trying to prove. If it the fact that attendance is higher in the "summer" months, it's is not, at least on average.

As for promotion, the EX is always the most promoted and discounted game of the season. In fact, many of the summer games in general are heavily discounted. A sign that they don't sell very well.

Just my opinion, but I think you are looking at this based on your personal preference and not the statistical data.

[Neely2005]

My point is you are only looking at it from the one perspective. Again, how can you not note that their 6 lowest attended games came during June-Aug months? The overall average is higher for September and October. So I really don't know what point you are trying to prove. If it the fact that attendance is higher in the "summer" months, it's is not, at least on average.

As for promotion, the EX is always the most promoted and discounted game of the season. In fact, many of the summer games in general are heavily discounted. A sign that they don't sell very well.

Just my opinion, but I think you are looking at this based on your personal preference and not the statistical data.

Good to see that you're still replying.

The only thing I'm proving is that our best attended Regular Season games at BMO Field all took place in June and August. That's it, that's all.

[KCargosfan]

Our best attended regular season games have been in June and August.

CFL attendance as a whole is way better from roughly the last week of August through the end of the regular season.

Again, Winnipeg, with an undefeated team and arguably the second-best fanbase in the league, couldn't break 26K on a Friday night in mid-July.

As AV pointed out, recent Argos attendance as a whole is actually better in the fall, even with crap teams in 2016 and 2018.

And the 2016 home opener has to be thrown out as that was the first game at BMO.

[Neely2005]

CFL attendance as a whole is way better from roughly the last week of August through the end of the regular season.

Again, Winnipeg, with an undefeated team and arguably the second-best fanbase in the league, couldn't break 26K on a Friday night in mid-July.

As AV pointed out, recent Argos attendance as a whole is actually better in the fall, even with crap teams in 2016 and 2018.

And the 2016 home opener has to be thrown out as that was the first game at BMO.

Honestly I don't even understand what you're trying to argure here. Even with this years earlier start the last Regular Season game this year is on November 2nd so there are still the same number of games in September and October as there always are.

[KCargosfan]

Honestly I don't even understand what you're trying to argure here. Even with this years earlier start the last Regular Season game this year is on November 2nd so there are still the same number of games in September and October as there always are.

I've never understood your argument. In fact, have you even made one? You just seem to want the season to start earlier, which it isn't going to.

And you still can't point to any league-wide numbers that show attendance from mid-June to mid-August is better than the rest of the year, because it doesn't exist.

[Neely2005]

I've never understood your argument. In fact, have you even made one? You just seem to want the season to start earlier, which it isn't going to.

And you still can't point to any league-wide numbers that show attendance from mid-June to mid-August is better than the rest of the year, because it doesn't exist.

You seem to be having a difficult time grasping that even though the season started earlier this year there are still the same amount of games in September and October (after Labour Day) as there always are. The Regular Season is still ending in November as it always has.