Harris, Collaros, Fajardo, Kilgore and probably Franklin Argos - CFL QB Farm Team

[paulwoods13]

Here's what's really interesting. The Argos for the better part of what, 4 decades, signed or developed ZERO young capable Qbs with no pro experience. Suddenly starting with Collaros, Harris, etc, the Argos actually started to acquire and develop young QBs. But they had Ray, who while extraordinary while healthy was injured a lot. The timing was just all wrong, and I actually don't blame management for this mess. I was one of the "keep Zach" camp in 2013, but they didn't. How many cups has Zach won? Ray won us another in 2017. I wanted Harris to stay, but he didn't again....2017...that's Ray. So here we are in 2019. All those QBs that the Argos developed are gone, and all we have to show for it is a Grey Cup in 2017. None of these guys we let go, brought their team to a Grey Cup, except maybe Harris who filled in for Burris when he was hurt.

Pretty good thing to show for it. (Which doesn't mean we should stop trying to develop, and keep, young QBs. But I'd make that trade again.)

[Al&Kat]

After the Argos are "officially" eliminated this weekend in BC I would like to see Prukop start or play a lot against Ottawa the following week. As others have said he's been here three years now and should have some knowledge of the offense and the League. Got see what he can do now. Let him get in there and allow him to use his legs when needed. Who would have thought at the start of the season that backup QB's Evans, Fajardo, Arbuckle, Adams, Streveler and Kilgore would all be starting and in most cases doing very well. Simplify the offense for him if needed. You don't need a 101 different plays that makes the OC sound smart. Then give O'Conner some plays in the second game against Ottawa. He has a strong arm and a quick release sounds perfect for a short passing game to get his feet wet and slow down the pass rush. They have four Import offensive linemen on the roster. I say start at least three of them, LT and both guards and drop one of the receiver's Smith or Edwards, they not seeing the ball much anyway. Let Noel and Gittens replace one of them. Give us season ticket holders a reason to look forward to coming to the games.
Sorry about that James and McLeod I like you both as people, but we have seen enough, and because I like you I would love to see you both get some playoff money and a chance at winning the Grey Cup. Starting on the trade deadline October the 9th.

Argos may not yet be "officially eliminated" but here is their status, for those who may believe they will finish the year with a five-game win streak (cough cough)...
They are like the small-mouth bass "keeper", in the bottom of my 14-ft aluminum boat a couple weekends ago. Flipping, flopping and gasping for breath until
I crush its skull with my knock-out stick (which the Lions will do in a few days)
PS
for those who are voting, this is my 2019 entry for Laff of the Year...

[Argo57]

Argos may not yet be "officially eliminated" but here is their status, for those who may believe they will finish the year with a five-game win streak (cough cough)...
They are like the small-mouth bass "keeper", in the bottom of my 14-ft aluminum boat a couple weekends ago. Flipping, flopping and gasping for breath until
I crush its skull with my knock-out stick (which the Lions will do in a few days)
PS
for those who are voting, this is my 2019 entry for Laff of the Year...

Must admit I got a good laugh reading this one😂

[OV Argo]

He dressed while Franklin was on the IR, but only as #3. He has a really nice arm and is pretty big, and looked pretty nimble in the pre season game at Varsity. I wouldn't want to play him taking reps with this o-line right now. Similar situation in Hamilton with Larry Jusdanis. He got killed when he played and I think it ruined him.

Jusdanis was `killed`by CFL GOB thinking when he was written-off after one year of some playing time at QB - with lots of struggles on a bad offence, but also some flashes of promise; he was asked to switch to slotback the next season with no other real shot to play QB in the CFL again; meanwhile OTOH - dozens and dozens of young import QBs who struggled a bit or else got little playing time, have and continue to, survived on CFL rosters, with repeat chances to be on rosters of multiple teams, and get at least several shots at playing time.

It`s the CFL way - wether some like it or not - all sorts of young American QBs get multiple shots at roster spots and at least some playing time; Canadian QBs are 3rd class citizens there - to be written-off with little shot or totally ignored to begin with, Don`t expect any change there soon; don`t expect O`Connor to play QB in the CFL.

[Neely2005]

Sanchez saying that one of MBT or Franklin will be traded to Winnipeg:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CFL_News/...41700718219264

[doubleblue]

Sanchez saying that one of MBT or Franklin will be traded to Winnipeg:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CFL_News/...41700718219264

Maybe that's why Chamblin hasn't named a starting QB yet for the game against the Lions. Frank Z. also mentioned in his article that Zach Collaros was taking some reps this week.
Conditional draft pick would be about all Winnipeg would give up IMO.

[Neely2005]

Maybe that's why Chamblin hasn't named a starting QB yet for the game against the Lions. Frank Z. also mentioned in his article that Zach Collaros was taking some reps this week.
Conditional draft pick would be about all Winnipeg would give up IMO.

What you mean that we won't be able to get what Winnipeg got from us for Drew Willy?!?
:-)

[AngeloV]

What you mean that we won't be able to get what Winnipeg got from us for Drew Willy?!?
:-)

I’m sure we can get a couple of players that are no longer in football.

[Argo57]

I’m sure we can get a couple of players that are no longer in football.

Popp: “Do you have any overrated DB’s who can’t tackle”?

[Neely2005]

I’m sure we can get a couple of players that are no longer in football.

Nah, I'll take what we gave up for Willy. A first overall draft pick, an all star player and a third round pick.

[OV Argo]

I`d take a 1st round pick and another player ( a promising young NI like receiver Peterman or DB Hallett) for either of Franklin or MacBeth

[Argo57]

I`d take a 1st round pick and another player ( a promising young NI like receiver Peterman or DB Hallett) for either of Franklin or MacBeth

This would be a good return for either QB.
Winnipeg have a very good team but surely must realize that having Streveler as their only option will lead them nowhere.

[AngeloV]

Nah, I'll take what we gave up for Willy. A first overall draft pick, an all star player and a third round pick.

So basically what I said. Nothing for nothing.

[BantOarsman]

If Streveler struggles in Regina this week, I have a feeling that MBT gets dealt. Guessing the return, I'll say: a 1st, Craig Roh, and a neg-lister/late pick.

[doubleblue]

If Streveler struggles in Regina this week, I have a feeling that MBT gets dealt. Guessing the return, I'll say: a 1st, Craig Roh, and a neg-lister/late pick.

Sounds pretty rich return for a very average QB who will be a free agent in February. I would think if Winnipeg was to trade anyone off their roster it would be under a "player to be named later" trade, especially a player like Roh. But the Argos could use a DE like him for sure.

[Neely2005]

So basically what I said. Nothing for nothing.

Nope, pretty much the exact opposite of what you said.

[paulwoods13]

Nope, pretty much the exact opposite of what you said.

Wouldn't the exact opposite of "Nothing for nothing" be "Something for something"?

The Willy trade was basically nothing for two draft picks that could have, but didn't, become something and a player who was briefly something but ended up amounting to nothing. So closer to nothing for nothing than nothing for something, and definitely not something for something.

[Wobbler]

Ugh. This, still? Heath did quite a bit more for Winnipeg than Willy did for the Argos. Winnipeg's poor use of the #1 pick in 2017 doesn't devalue it. Daniel Petermann may not have set the world on fire, but they have him and we don't.

It was a bad trade... that is no longer relevant.

[Nob]

I think that if you can get anything (even "futures") for either Franklin or MBT then be all over it.

Winnipeg needs help. I know that O'Shea is spouting that he doesn't - but that is just "Coach speak" (what else is he supposed to say???). Steveler is this decade's Ken Hobart. It scares me that he will be a free agent at the end of the season and could be (not necessarily "will be") a sought after commodity - a QB with 3-down experience. His failings are obvious. He's a worse passer than Franklin and MBT. No thanks.

The only reason why I would think that Winnipeg may not want a QB at the deadline is because it's tough to bring in a new QB and have him learn the system, and timing with new receivers. QB is a tougher position to plug and play new players in to.

[OV Argo]

Ugh. This, still? Heath did quite a bit more for Winnipeg than Willy did for the Argos. Winnipeg's poor use of the #1 pick in 2017 doesn't devalue it. Daniel Petermann may not have set the world on fire, but they have him and we don't.

It was a bad trade... that is no longer relevant.

Players Argos could have drafted with that 1st round 2017 pick - LB Cameron Judge - doing a very nice job as a starting LB for the Riders now; O-Linemen - Geoff Gray and Evan Johnson - both starting CFL O-linemen now in an area where Argos are weak; Petermann would have been a nice 3rd round get in 2018 as well IMO.


Bad trade É - more like brutal; but defenders of the faith might not think so.