July 25, 2016: Montreal Alouettes @ Toronto Argonauts Game Thread

**Argo57** · 07-26-2016, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by mchesher03

watched the martin "hit" on Ray - completely unnecessary and a total dirtbag move. hope he is fined and suspended appropriately - wayyyyyyyyyyyy late

thought the league's refs were looking for garbage like that?

It amazes me what the officials call roughing the passer and what they don't.
Inconsistency is what drives the players and fans crazy.

**R.J** · 07-26-2016, 01:25 PM

Based on the rules; the hit on Ray should've been a flag, but IMO Bourke's cut block is what lead to the Ray hit.

Whitaker is struggling big time this season, and as I mentioned previously a change is needed.

**Neely2005** · 07-26-2016, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Wobbler

Crap. It *is* probably a ligament.

Early talk is that Ray may have sprained ACL, could be out 4-6 weeks. From @KatePettersen_
— Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) July 26, 2016

I'd probably start Fajardo, he's looked better than Kilgore IMO.

**Will** · 07-26-2016, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

I'd probably start Fajardo, he's looked better than Kilgore IMO.

Based on what? The two of them threw a combined 4 passes yesterday and Kilgore was in the game to mop up a few times. I think you have to go with Kilgore and see what he can do with a week of first-team reps.

**R.J** · 07-26-2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

I'd probably start Fajardo, he's looked better than Kilgore IMO.

Originally Posted by argofan87

Based on what? The two of them threw a combined 4 passes yesterday and Kilgore was in the game to mop up a few times. I think you have to go with Kilgore and see what he can do with a week of first-team reps.

As I wrote in the Ray injured thread (if mods want to merge it with the main injury thread; no worries, I just thought that it deserved its own thread).

As much as I want to see what Farjardo can do (I do like scrambling QB's); it's too early for Farjardo right now, he hasn't even been with the team for a full calendar year. Not that I don't think Farjardo could play well; more so I don't want to risk putting in the kid too early and screwing him up. Also, Kilgore has earned the #2 spot; let's at least see what he can do before passing him over.

**marcwagz** · 07-26-2016, 01:59 PM

im so used to montreal being a force that its weird for them to be the weakest around.
it feels like ottawa is the new force and we have to face them on Monday without Ray.
I hope we can somehow pick up at least a couple wins with Kilgore at QB

**1argoholic** · 07-26-2016, 02:20 PM

Let me just say that Fajardo's first pass attempted went much better then Kilgore's. From those two plays Fajardo looks the most calm and ready. Even on those qb sneaks he took his time and found some nice holes and actually carried a few tacklers or at least they struggled getting him down. On that td pass the play was going left and when it went south he showed some poise and turned and found Coombs.
I've been a Fajardo fan from day one when I did a search and found his stats and highlights. He's very intelligent student and a winner. He won four league Championships in high school and led the team to a state title as a senior. In college at Nevada he has great numbers over four years. This is a guy who's played plenty of football and not just a starter as a senior in both high school and college.

Perhaps they'll use all three guys and mix the other teams up.

**Argo** · 07-26-2016, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by 1argoholic

Let me just say that Fajardo's first pass attempted went much better then Kilgore's. From those two plays Fajardo looks the most calm and ready. Even on those qb sneaks he took his time and found some nice holes and actually carried a few tacklers or at least they struggled getting him down. On that td pass the play was going left and when it went south he showed some poise and turned and found Coombs.
I've been a Fajardo fan from day one when I did a search and found his stats and highlights. He's very intelligent and a winner. He won four State Championships in high school. Perhaps they'll use all three guys and mix the other teams up.

If, hypothetically, we lose two games with Kilgore starting (or he looks awful in one), then by all means give Fajardo a relatively early chance to kickstart his career.

**1argoholic** · 07-26-2016, 02:29 PM

Argo you're too fast as I had to correct something. He won for league titles in high school and led Servite to a Cali state title as a senior. Should be fun times the next four to six weeks.

**Argo** · 07-26-2016, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by doubleblue

Kilgore doesn't excite me too much. Generally the young QB's that are going to be able to play in the League, show some good things when they first come in. Collarus, Harris and even Gale all give us glimpses of what they were going to be with a bit more experience. I don't get that from watching Kilgore. But I guess he is going to be first up. IMO Fajardo may turn out to be the best guy in game conditions. He can make things happen with his feet a well.

May the backup QB leashes be short.

**Stevoman** · 07-26-2016, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

I think Kilgore dressed all last season until Ray came back late.

Alright, that gives me a little more confidence. Practice team guys are usually running other teams plays are they not? If he was a back up last year as well than he may be further along.

I do believe he should get the start this week, but if he struggles mightily, I'd go to Fajardo or McPherson for the next one.

**AngeloV** · 07-26-2016, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Neely2005

I'd probably start Fajardo, he's looked better than Kilgore IMO.

Based on what? Short yardage offence?

Come on. Kilgore deserves the opportunity first, and if he falters, then you can re-consider.

**AngeloV** · 07-26-2016, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stevoman

Alright, that gives me a little more confidence. Practice team guys are usually running other teams plays are they not? If he was a back up last year as well than he may be further along.

I do believe he should get the start this week, but if he struggles mightily, I'd go to Fajardo or McPherson for the next one.

If you ever go to practice, you will see all the QB's standing about 5 yards behind Ray, doing drops and reads as if they are taking the reps themselves. It definitely keeps the mind sharp. I'm relatively confident that Kilgore will do fine.

**AngeloV** · 07-26-2016, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Argo

May the backup QB leashes be short.

Disagree. That does nothing to help the situation. I wouldn't pull Kilgore no matter what the score is on Sunday. He needs as many live reps as he can get.

**Argo** · 07-26-2016, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by AngeloV

Disagree. That does nothing to help the situation. I wouldn't pull Kilgore no matter what the score is on Sunday. He needs as many live reps as he can get.

I'm thinking that .500 will be sufficient to retain the job, as unpalatable as that number is.

**Scooter McCray** · 07-26-2016, 03:33 PM

2 of the next 3 games are winnable.

**paulwoods13** · 07-26-2016, 03:43 PM

Recall that in 2013 it was naturally assumed that Harris would be the guy, until we went with Collaros. Difference from then to now is that then, both guys had been in the system same length of time (but Harris was "ranked" higher in that he dressed all of 2012). That said, I have no doubt Kilgore gets the ball but I would not be surprised if they mixed Fajardo in from time to time, as they did last night on the play that resulted in his TD pass. IIRC it was second and goal from around the four -- not a short-yardage play, per se. (I may be wrong about that, tho.)

**R.J** · 07-26-2016, 03:57 PM

Baker Mayfield can't get here soon enough.

**1argoholic** · 07-26-2016, 04:11 PM

If Kilgore acts like a robot, turns and fires the ball into the other teams hands again you yank him. He has to feel the game. You can't just have him hand off 40 times. This isn't college ball. Hope with a ton of reps this week the young guys do well on Sunday.