This team is 4-7 and needs to get its shit together

[Will]

I got to ask, and I realize that they might not be the "be all and end all," but Xavier Fulton and Tony Washington were both available over the last few weeks and I was hoping that the Argos would have taken a look at one of them (maybe they did). It is clear that trotting out the same 5 guys to play OL isn't working.

[Argo57]

I got to ask, and I realize that they might not be the "be all and end all," but Xavier Fulton and Tony Washington were both available over the last few weeks and I was hoping that the Argos would have taken a look at one of them (maybe they did). It is clear that trotting out the same 5 guys to play OL isn't working.

Especially Washington who played well for the Argos in 2012.

[gilthethrill]

I got to ask, and I realize that they might not be the "be all and end all," but Xavier Fulton and Tony Washington were both available over the last few weeks and I was hoping that the Argos would have taken a look at one of them (maybe they did). It is clear that trotting out the same 5 guys to play OL isn't working.

I was thinking the same thing about bringing in one of those players. I don't understand how there are no changes made on the offence after being shut out in Calgary. I want more Malcolm Williams, Brian Jones and perhaps Mason Woods gets some action. Heck, maybe during the bye we replace Marcus Brady with Tommy Condell as OC. Doubt we will see Butler and Lemon on the ends together this season.
This team can't remain static.

[timlb01]

I was thinking the same thing about bringing in one of those players. I don't understand how there are no changes made on the offence after being shut out in Calgary. I want more Malcolm Williams, Brian Jones and perhaps Mason Woods gets some action. Heck, maybe during the bye we replace Marcus Brady with Tommy Condell as OC. Doubt we will see Butler and Lemon on the ends together this season.
This team can't remain static.

I have been thinking about Marcus Brady too. I tend to blame him to a great extent but I am not sure if that is the case. We get lots of yards and have high completion percentage almost every single game but we do not score enough points. Ray keeps getting hit and hit hard. I don't think this will be fixed over night or even this year. The defence is still impressive considering the late start in the off season, injuries and the patch work secondary. Dumb penalties do not help and just look at our first few drives in the first quarter. Not what they needed. Terrible second down conversion, bad play in the red zone are all problems. Can this be coached out of the current team is the question?

[OV Argo]

I got to ask, and I realize that they might not be the "be all and end all," but Xavier Fulton and Tony Washington were both available over the last few weeks and I was hoping that the Argos would have taken a look at one of them (maybe they did). It is clear that trotting out the same 5 guys to play OL isn't working.

And ex-Argo Bruce Campbell is now starting on the suddenly powerhouse ego-Jones Riders; = big deal IMO - none of those OTs are more than average and more like mediocre. Put them on this Argo team with the same old offensive schemes or "thinking" (i.e. Ray is supposed to sit in the pocket with lots of steamboats to look at his "route tree", combined with next to no real ground game or other diversity on offence) - and nothing would change much. Finding very good to outstanding O-linemen is a real challenge. Hampering/exposing average or weak O-linemen with a simpleton offensive game plan should not be such a factor for a supposed offensive genius like Trestman - maybe he needs to look at the offensive coaches working for him first. Maybe Brady should have been $hit-canned out of town with his gob buddy Scotty M.

[timlb01]

And ex-Argo Bruce Campbell is now starting on the suddenly powerhouse ego-Jones Riders; = big deal IMO - none of those OTs are more than average and more like mediocre. Put them on this Argo team with the same old offensive schemes or "thinking" (i.e. Ray is supposed to sit in the pocket with lots of steamboats to look at his "route tree", combined with next to no real ground game or other diversity on offence) - and nothing would change much. Finding very good to outstanding O-linemen is a real challenge. Hampering/exposing average or weak O-linemen with a simpleton offensive game plan should not be such a factor for a supposed offensive genius like Trestman - maybe he needs to look at the offensive coaches working for him first. Maybe Brady should have been $hit-canned out of town with his gob buddy Scotty M.

Someone has suggested it before but if the OL is that bad then the quickest fix would be to bring in an International and play with the ratio in another spot on the roster. Finding a golden boy national for the OL is probably not likely going to occur at least this year.

[OV Argo]

Someone has suggested it before but if the OL is that bad then the quickest fix would be to bring in an International and play with the ratio in another spot on the roster. Finding a golden boy national for the OL is probably not likely going to occur at least this year.

Somebody has suggested trying to bring back Van Roten - at least he knows the CFL game and has some familiarity with some of the current O-line group to play with. Has Popp even reached out there? - not one of his guys ?

There are a ton of NFL cuts O-linemen who MIGHT be able to be signed and maybe one or two of them are great talents who would be a fit for the CFL game and this offence; I just wouldn't assume this is easily done. I guess this brain-trust has little faith in top draft pick Mason Woods at this point; but Holmes and Watman and Deane have all been sub-par at times IMO, so why not give Woods - a massive linemen with significant starting guard experience in Div I ball, a shot? Some coaches like to stick with their vets though and have little faith in young Canadian talent; Ticats draft pick last year - Brandon Revenberg - displaced vet Dyakowski at guard there last season and IMO was an upgrade - he got a shot and pulled thru.

[gilthethrill]

Somebody has suggested trying to bring back Van Roten - at least he knows the CFL game and has some familiarity with some of the current O-line group to play with. Has Popp even reached out there? - not one of his guys ?

There are a ton of NFL cuts O-linemen who MIGHT be able to be signed and maybe one or two of them are great talents who would be a fit for the CFL game and this offence; I just wouldn't assume this is easily done. I guess this brain-trust has little faith in top draft pick Mason Woods at this point; but Holmes and Watman and Deane have all been sub-par at times IMO, so why not give Woods - a massive linemen with significant starting guard experience in Div I ball, a shot? Some coaches like to stick with their vets though and have little faith in young Canadian talent; Ticats draft pick last year - Brandon Revenberg - displaced vet Dyakowski at guard there last season and IMO was an upgrade - he got a shot and pulled thru.

Michael Ola a tackle who played under Popp in Montreal was recently released by an NFL team. No idea if he has interest in returning up north though. He also started for Trestman in Chicago.