CFL and Argos looking at solution for BMO end zone turf and attendance problems

[paulwoods13]

If nothing else, this article dispels the notion that Manning went to KC with TFC on Saturday (which had been suggested in a different thread).

[PullTogether73]

I knew Ambrosie was at the game because I saw him at half time, walked up to him, shook his hand and introduced myself as a life long Argonauts fan.

I seemed to be the only one who recognized him.


As for this action by the league and MLSE - they knew about this before the Argonauts moved to BMO Field.
It was easy to predict that the slipping and potential injury situation was there.
Why look to correct it after over two seasons?
I guess humans need to see an eventuality happen before they take precautions against it?

I'm now waiting to hear about addressing the short end zones (17 versus 20 yards AFAIK?) because when a receiver touches down with his toes BARELY out of bounds at a critical moment of a playoff game (Grey Cup maybe?), someone will be screaming that in any other stadium it would have been a touchdown.

[ArgoGabe22]

As for this action by the league and MLSE - they knew about this before the Argonauts moved to BMO Field.
It was easy to predict that the slipping and potential injury situation was there.
Why look to correct it after over two seasons?
I guess humans need to see an eventuality happen before they take precautions against it?

I'm now waiting to hear about addressing the short end zones (17 versus 20 yards AFAIK?) because when a receiver touches down with his toes BARELY out of bounds at a critical moment of a playoff game (Grey Cup maybe?), someone will be screaming that in any other stadium it would have been a touchdown.

Don't think its as simple as we think. This will hopefully be fixed for next year. Don't think they can get it done this season.

[Ron]

Don't think its as simple as we think. .

It's never as simple as fans think.

[paulwoods13]

As for this action by the league and MLSE - they knew about this before the Argonauts moved to BMO Field.
It was easy to predict that the slipping and potential injury situation was there.
Why look to correct it after over two seasons?
I guess humans need to see an eventuality happen before they take precautions against it?

Umm, maybe because MLSE did not own the Argos until this season, and hence the Argo ownership was a tenant in someone else's building. And yes, I know that they were owned by 62.5 per cent of MLSE's ownership, but I also know that the other 37.5 per cent was not inclined to do the Argos any favours in past years.

As for potential solutions, IMO the only truly viable and possible fix is to make the north stands used for CFL games permanent and stop moving TFC stands further in. That would allow the entire field to be grass. It would also drive TFC supporters nuts, but only a few thousand fans, maximum, can be seated in that section so they may have to bite the bullet and accept being farther back.

[Neely2005]

Umm, maybe because MLSE did not own the Argos until this season, and hence the Argo ownership was a tenant in someone else's building. And yes, I know that they were owned by 62.5 per cent of MLSE's ownership, but I also know that the other 37.5 per cent was not inclined to do the Argos any favours in past years.

As for potential solutions, IMO the only truly viable and possible fix is to make the north stands used for CFL games permanent and stop moving TFC stands further in. That would allow the entire field to be grass. It would also drive TFC supporters nuts, but only a few thousand fans, maximum, can be seated in that section so they may have to bite the bullet and accept being farther back.

Well MLSE doesn't own BMO Field either...

I wonder if they'll also go to 20 Yard Endzones too?

[doubleblue]

Well MLSE doesn't own BMO Field either...

I wonder if they'll also go to 20 Yard Endzones too?

They look like 20 yards now.

[macspectrum]

They look like 20 yards now.

i believe they are 17 yd end zones

from the bmo field wikipedia page
"(146 x 65 yards) (Canadian football)"
subtract 110 yd in field of play leaves 36 yds for end zones, divide by 2 u get 18 yd end zones 'officially'

[PullTogether73]

Umm, maybe because MLSE did not own the Argos until this season, and hence the Argo ownership was a tenant in someone else's building. And yes, I know that they were owned by 62.5 per cent of MLSE's ownership, but I also know that the other 37.5 per cent was not inclined to do the Argos any favours in past years.

As for potential solutions, IMO the only truly viable and possible fix is to make the north stands used for CFL games permanent and stop moving TFC stands further in. That would allow the entire field to be grass. It would also drive TFC supporters nuts, but only a few thousand fans, maximum, can be seated in that section so they may have to bite the bullet and accept being farther back.

The CFL has been there the whole time, regardless of ownership. The league's concern should have been there before the move to BMO Field.
However, I understand your point that the CFL was limited in its ability to influence any decision-making.

I agree with your fix above Paul. I don't see any other way - but I'm not an engineer, so who knows if there are any other possibilites?
As for TFC fans, they are never happy anyway, so any change is going to piss them off.
After all, isn't it the Argonauts fault that TFC is having a dismal season?

[Bruro]

Getting rid of the north stands will simply not happen. tFc and the Argos share the same venue and same owner now but trust me TFC calls the shots. Franchise has a value of 250 million.

[argolio]

Franchise has a value of 250 million.

In the real world, no one would pay anything close to that.

[Bruro]

[QUOTE=argolio;129302]In the real world, no one would pay anything close to that.[/QUOT

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...to-forbes.html

[1971GreyCup]

[QUOTE=Bruro;129315]

In the real world, no one would pay anything close to that.[/QUOT

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...to-forbes.html

How does Forbes figure the BMO Field renovations add to the value of TFC? The investment MLSE was made to a city owned facility. Far from accretive to franchise value. I doubt that the additional seats cover the investment. Would love to understand the methodology. Likely franchise value is all attributed to new franchise fees. How many future franchises are going to be willing to come up with that kind’ve money given player contracts, TV contracts and ticket sales? Time will tell.

[argolio]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...to-forbes.html

Call me when someone gets anything close to those Forbes values. Hasn't happened yet.

[1971GreyCup]

If nothing else, this article dispels the notion that Manning went to KC with TFC on Saturday (which had been suggested in a different thread).

Exact comment in previous thread was a criticism that Argos had:
“ 1. Part time management. Pretty sure management was in Kansas City last night.” First part of comment stands. I stand corrected in balance.

Previous managements were visible at the games and evidence of their participation didn’t emerge in articles days after the event.