Ticket prices.

[T-Bone]

It was also reported that since the City of Toronto owns BMO Field it costs more to stage an event there due to the unionized city workers.

Does that apply to all events or just concerts? I've heard that about concerts not sporting events. Do you have a link? They just played the League 1 final there on October 19 and I can't image they have tons of money to put on an event.

The Argonauts also offer many deals throughout the season. I believe that they just had a 2 game offer that got you a third game free. Also comparing prices in Saskatchewan to prices in downtown Toronto probably isn't the best comparison.

I know a few people that dropped their season tickets because of the ticket deals through out the season. They rather grab the ticket deals which in seasons past worked out cheaper than many season ticket packages. That may have affected attendance as well.

[Will]

Here you go, T-Bone.

It is expensive to play a game at BMO Field, more expensive than it is now for the Argos to play a game at the Rogers Centre. Thanks to several union contracts between the city and everyone from the electrical and sound staff to concessions workers and the ushers, it costs about $100,000 every time Toronto FC plays at BMO Field. That is why there are few concerts at either BMO or Ricoh Coliseum, which is governed by the same deals. Since the facility is owned by the city, there is no cutting a sweetheart deal just to land a new tenant.

[AngeloV]

Here you go, T-Bone.

Doesn't necessarily mean the rent would be the same or higher at BMO. Since it is city owned, the city can see to it that the rent is the same as the costs, unlike RC, which is privately owned, and can look at making as big a profit as necessary. Furthermore, an agreement to share in concessions would be likely at BMO, but never has at RC.

[T-Bone]

Here you go, T-Bone.

Thank you.

Doesn't necessarily mean the rent would be the same or higher at BMO. Since it is city owned, the city can see to it that the rent is the same as the costs, unlike RC, which is privately owned, and can look at making as big a profit as necessary. Furthermore, an agreement to share in concessions would be likely at BMO, but never has at RC.

Good points, and ultimately there are no other viable options at this time. I wonder if in a few years the Argos move to BMO Field and things run smoothly, will we look back at these threads and laugh?

[Will]

I agree with you Angelo, everything is negotiable I suppose.

I think we'll look back at these threads with a sigh of relief.

[Neely2005]

Doesn't necessarily mean the rent would be the same or higher at BMO. Since it is city owned, the city can see to it that the rent is the same as the costs, unlike RC, which is privately owned, and can look at making as big a profit as necessary. Furthermore, an agreement to share in concessions would be likely at BMO, but never has at RC.

The article that is posted above specifically says that a deal can Not be cut due to the union costs.

[T-Bone]

The article that is posted above specifically says that a deal can Not be cut due to the union costs.

The general consensus is that the Argos receive $0 from concession sales and parking at Rogers Centre currently. If they get a portion of those things at BMO Field it could offset the higher cost of hosting the games at BMO Field.

[Will]

The exact quote was:

Since the facility is owned by the city, there is no cutting a sweetheart deal just to land a new tenant.

I take it to mean that MLSE couldn't negotiate a sweetheart deal because they are technically not the landlord. I don't see why MLSE would give the Argos any special favors anyways, that's to say I wouldn't see them negotiating a sweetheart lease with them.

[Neely2005]

The general consensus is that the Argos receive $0 from concession sales and parking at Rogers Centre currently. If they get a portion of those things at BMO Field it could offset the higher cost of hosting the games at BMO Field.

That's a pretty big If. For all we know MLSE may already have some sort of an agreement in place with the City for all concessions.

The exact quote was:



I take it to mean that MLSE couldn't negotiate a sweetheart deal because they are technically not the landlord. I don't see why MLSE would give the Argos any special favors anyways, that's to say I wouldn't see them negotiating a sweetheart lease with them.

It could also mean that $100,000 is the bare bones minimum cost to stage a sporting event at BMO Field.

[T-Bone]

That's a pretty big If. For all we know MLSE may already have some sort of an agreement in place with the City for all concessions.



It could also mean that $100,000 is the bare bones minimum cost to stage a sporting event at BMO Field.

Your assumptions aren't "big ifs?" Everything is a "big if" right now. How much does it cost to put on a game at Rogers Centre currently?

[Neely2005]

Your assumptions aren't "big ifs?" Everything is a "big if" right now. How much does it cost to put on a game at Rogers Centre currently?

As per the article posted above Less than $100,000.

[T-Bone]

As per the article posted above Less than $100,000.

How much less?

it costs about $100,000 every time Toronto FC plays at BMO Field.

It could also mean that $100,000 is the bare bones minimum cost to stage a sporting event at BMO Field.

Are you claiming a TFC game is a bare bones event? Do you know what the $100,000 is covering? Is that the whole TFC game or part of the game? What is the breakdown?

For all we know MLSE may already have some sort of an agreement in place with the City for all concessions.

Is this a fact or an assumption on your behalf?

[Will]

The article is unclear whether the $100,000 Toronto FC plays applies to all events, but it might be a fair assumption that the Argos would be looking at a similar cost.

[T-Bone]

The article is unclear whether the $100,000 Toronto FC plays applies to all events, but it might be a fair assumption that the Argos would be looking at a similar cost.

I agree the costs to put on a TFC game or an Argo game are probably similar but I can't see League 1 paying $100,000 to put on their championship game at BMO Field.

[Will]

Unless they get some sort of subsidy?

[flafson]

If you would give me Silver tickets for ~$35 i would probably come to all the Argos games. Otherwise, you will see me there maybe twice per season.

[Fumblitis]

If you would give me Silver tickets for ~$35 i would probably come to all the Argos games. Otherwise, you will see me there maybe twice per season.

Exactly. Ticket prices affect attendance but it also ticket prices proportional to how the Argos are perceived by ones duped by the media.

[Neely2005]

How much less?




Are you claiming a TFC game is a bare bones event? Do you know what the $100,000 is covering? Is that the whole TFC game or part of the game? What is the breakdown?


Is this a fact or an assumption on your behalf?

$32,674.27 ;-)

I don't know, hence the word "Could".

I don't know, hence the word "May".

If you would give me Silver tickets for ~$35 i would probably come to all the Argos games. Otherwise, you will see me there maybe twice per season.

And I'd like a brand new Ferrari for $1000...

Why Silver? You can get A Bronze Season Ticket for about $35 per game. ($350 for the 10 Game season IIRC) Blue are even less.

[flafson]

Why Silver? You can get A Bronze Season Ticket for about $35 per game. ($350 for the 10 Game season IIRC) Blue are even less.

Silver are decent/good enough while bronze are meh...

[Neely2005]

Silver are decent/good enough while bronze are meh...

With all the empty seats you can probably buy Bronze and move down. Regardless it's not like buying Silver Season Tickets are that expensive.