Edmonton Elks Thread

[AngeloV]

Yeah - Jones should be automatically inducted into the CFL and Pro Football HOF in the inscrutable genius coaching category - along with Tom (Ned Flanders) Higgins, Danny (Garden Gnome) Maciocia, Scott Millanovich and all others from coaching staffs who have managed to win a GC in an 8 or 9 team league, in umpteen seasons of getting to try. ;o)

Unfortunately, you don't get the point of a hell of a lot of posts here - as indicated by your rush to defend any of your fave CFL guys from the outrageous slings & arrows they face here. Damn know nothing couch potato football fans posting on a fan forum - why the nerve.

There is no point to the majority of your posts. Your posts suggest that a coach will deliberately start an American that is inferior to a Canadian strictly based on bias. That is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, you go on and on about how Pruneau and Capicotti are the best in the league at their positions, and though they are good, they are clearly not the best. Pruneau looked brutal getting beat by McDaniel the other night, and Capicotti is MIA so far this year. Small sample size, but I already know your pre determined excuse if it continues. It's Chris Jones fault as he has no idea how to use Capicotti.

[R.J]

I mean, you of on and on about how Pruneau and Capicotti are the best in the league at their positions, and though they are good, they are clearly not the best. Pruneau looked brutal getting beat by McDaniel the other night, and Capicotti is MIA so far this year. Small sample size, but I already know your pre determined excuse if it continues. It's Chris Jones fault as he has no idea how to use Capicotti.

I agree to an extent Angelo. IMO Pruneau is nowhere near elite; he gets beat far too often to be considered elite or the best. I'd put Capicciotti in my top 5 though; IMO he's very good at creating pressure and getting to the QB.

[AngeloV]

I agree to an extent Angelo. IMO Pruneau is nowhere near elite; he gets beat far too often to be considered elite or the best. I'd put Capicciotti in my top 5 though; IMO he's very good at creating pressure and getting to the QB.

He may have been a bit better against the Eskimos, but was a total no show against the Argos last week.

[Jayahre]

I agree to an extent Angelo. IMO Pruneau is nowhere near elite; he gets beat far too often to be considered elite or the best. I'd put Capicciotti in my top 5 though; IMO he's very good at creating pressure and getting to the QB.

Pruneau is a linebacker not a DB, he's not expected to run down field with a receiver like McDaniels that was a blown coverage.
Ottawa is starting 9 NIs only because of injury, as soon as Hopkins is off the injured list next week and the new 300 pound "D" lineman - Cohen learns the Cdn game then both will be starting and the NIs go to backup
They've done a pretty good job but the criticism in Ottawa is that the "D" line is not getting any pressure on the QB.
But I like the way they completely shut down Messam Friday night, he only picked up 32 yards. It was expected that the big fast Messam would run over the Ottawa "D" line

[AngeloV]

Pruneau is a linebacker not a DB, he's not expected to run down field with a receiver like McDaniels that was a blown coverage.

You obviously have no clue what the strong side linebacker's duties are. It's a DB lining up as a LB in today's football. I think Don Matthews was the first to do this when he moved Don Wilson there in the 90's. On on overload to their side they essentially become DB's covering the slotback closest to the QB.

[KCargosfan]

I agree to an extent Angelo. IMO Pruneau is nowhere near elite; he gets beat far too often to be considered elite or the best. I'd put Capicciotti in my top 5 though; IMO he's very good at creating pressure and getting to the QB.

Not this year you shouldn't.

[OV Argo]

There is no point to the majority of your posts. Your posts suggest that a coach will deliberately start an American that is inferior to a Canadian strictly based on bias. That is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, you go on and on about how Pruneau and Capicotti are the best in the league at their positions, and though they are good, they are clearly not the best. Pruneau looked brutal getting beat by McDaniel the other night, and Capicotti is MIA so far this year. Small sample size, but I already know your pre determined excuse if it continues. It's Chris Jones fault as he has no idea how to use Capicotti.

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Could you maybe dig up the posts here where I claimed Pruneau & Capicotti were "best in the league at their positions" ? Did I read you say here in a recent thread that your guy Condredge was the greatest QB in the history of football? No? - would you like it if I claimed you said that?

Pruneau & Cap are IMO examples of fine young Canadian talent - impact starters on D, and at positions where CFL gobs traditionally like to start imports; the Argos have a couple of their own examples in Greenwood & Miles. And Pruneau - a cover OLB (or any DB in general) getting beat deep for a TD pass ??? - OMG - stop the presses - never seen that happen before = cut the bum and put in an American instead ?

Getting back to the point that you are either trying to ignore or spin away with bogus claims or else just don't understand or accept - the RedBlacks and the Argos are 2 CFL teams that have recently started 9 NIs - as opposed to typical gob 7 only need apply behavior - and are undefeated in doing so. Not that this proves much IMO, but it maybe suggests that some CFL teams have plenty of Canadian talent, and that the 7 only need apply thinking is not an automatic formula for CFL success. There's plenty of NI talent out there, and some teams will deploy/use more than others - the Argos could IMO easily be starting 10 NIs if Bulcke/Waud were healthy. Maybe this bothers your Americans first/better or "ratio problem" CFL thinking you've been told/sold, but, too bad. Sorry for insulting your CFL gob deep thinkers like Kenty or ego-Jones - we shall see how they fare as the season rolls on with their ingrained little use for Canadian talent thinking - maybe they both go to the GC again - possible in a 9 team league ? ;o)

[AngeloV]

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Could you maybe dig up the posts here where I claimed Pruneau & Capicotti were "best in the league at their positions" ? Did I read you say here in a recent thread that your guy Condredge was the greatest QB in the history of football? No? - would you like it if I claimed you said that?

Pruneau & Cap are IMO examples of fine young Canadian talent - impact starters on D, and at positions where CFL gobs traditionally like to start imports; the Argos have a couple of their own examples in Greenwood & Miles. And Pruneau - a cover OLB (or any DB in general) getting beat deep for a TD pass ??? - OMG - stop the presses - never seen that happen before = cut the bum and put in an American instead ?

Getting back to the point that you are either trying to ignore or spin away with bogus claims or else just don't understand or accept - the RedBlacks and the Argos are 2 CFL teams that have recently started 9 NIs - as opposed to typical gob 7 only need apply behavior - and are undefeated in doing so. Not that this proves much IMO, but it maybe suggests that some CFL teams have plenty of Canadian talent, and that the 7 only need apply thinking is not an automatic formula for CFL success. There's plenty of NI talent out there, and some teams will deploy/use more than others - the Argos could IMO easily be starting 10 NIs if Bulcke/Waud were healthy. Maybe this bothers your Americans first/better or "ratio problem" CFL thinking you've been told/sold, but, too bad. Sorry for insulting your CFL gob deep thinkers like Kenty or ego-Jones - we shall see how they fare as the season rolls on with their ingrained little use for Canadian talent thinking - maybe they both go to the GC again - possible in a 9 team league ? ;o)

You may not have said they are the best in the league at their positions, but you compare them to others that you always refer to as being mediocre. I just think you overdo slamming other players in order to get your point across over and over again. And we've been through this before. I cheer for Canadian players to do well. Pruneau is a very good player, and admittedly I took a cheap shot at him.

[KCargosfan]

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Could you maybe dig up the posts here where I claimed Pruneau & Capicotti were "best in the league at their positions" ? Did I read you say here in a recent thread that your guy Condredge was the greatest QB in the history of football? No? - would you like it if I claimed you said that?

Pruneau & Cap are IMO examples of fine young Canadian talent - impact starters on D, and at positions where CFL gobs traditionally like to start imports; the Argos have a couple of their own examples in Greenwood & Miles. And Pruneau - a cover OLB (or any DB in general) getting beat deep for a TD pass ??? - OMG - stop the presses - never seen that happen before = cut the bum and put in an American instead ?

Getting back to the point that you are either trying to ignore or spin away with bogus claims or else just don't understand or accept - the RedBlacks and the Argos are 2 CFL teams that have recently started 9 NIs - as opposed to typical gob 7 only need apply behavior - and are undefeated in doing so. Not that this proves much IMO, but it maybe suggests that some CFL teams have plenty of Canadian talent, and that the 7 only need apply thinking is not an automatic formula for CFL success. There's plenty of NI talent out there, and some teams will deploy/use more than others - the Argos could IMO easily be starting 10 NIs if Bulcke/Waud were healthy. Maybe this bothers your Americans first/better or "ratio problem" CFL thinking you've been told/sold, but, too bad. Sorry for insulting your CFL gob deep thinkers like Kenty or ego-Jones - we shall see how they fare as the season rolls on with their ingrained little use for Canadian talent thinking - maybe they both go to the GC again - possible in a 9 team league ? ;o)

So this is praise for American coaches Milanovich and Campbell, correct?

[OV Argo]

So this is praise for American coaches Milanovich and Campbell, correct?

Not sure if it is more the HC or GM who is responsible in each case. Barker singed some proven NI starters (Bourke & Bulcke) this off-season; Desjardins signed Gascon-Nadon as a NI starter FA. GMs might have a lot of say in drafting strategy too - both teams have a good number of draft picks starting/playing for them. The coaches might have to have more faith/confidence in their NI talent to deploy start more than the minimum 7 that some teams pre-determine is only needed. Ottawa has a number of Canadian coaches; Argos do not.

[R.J]

#Esks make a few moves in secondary.
In: DB Brandyn Thompson and Demetrious Wright.
Release: DB Deion Belue. #CFL

— Jason Gregor (@JasonGregor) August 8, 2016

Good moves IMO. Thompson can play, and IMO Belue has been absolutely terrible - even that's probably putting it mildly.

[OV Argo]

Good moves IMO. Thompson can play, and IMO Belue has been absolutely terrible - even that's probably putting it mildly.

Can't for the life of me figure out how Hervey & Maas continue to trot out that rookie import guy (name escapes me now) as their main return guy game after game - shown he is next to useless, but keeps getting to play ???

Thompson should help their D-backfield, and getting Ojo back sure would help (not sure of his status?)

[hugoagogo]

Can't for the life of me figure out how Hervey & Maas continue to trot out that rookie import guy (name escapes me now) as their main return guy game after game - shown he is next to useless, but keeps getting to play ???

Kenzel Doe.

[R.J]

Thompson should help their D-backfield, and getting Ojo back sure would help (not sure of his status?)

Ojo ruptured his Achilles, so he's out for the season.