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    Quote Originally Posted by OV Argo View Post
    I disagree - and i thought he was out of bounds at first look - but the replay shows he caught the ball and had both feet down - as soon as you have control of the ball in the end zone, for even a second, it is a TD - case closed, and doesn`t matter what happens after you are hit and go out of bounds. This whole `surviving`bull$hite to rule a catch or not (started in the NFL i think) is a load of nonsense IMO and another example of sports rules being changed for the worse. A catch is a catch - possession of the ball for a second or two or so (that amount of time is a subjective call by the ref - no way to record it in real game time), and if you drop the ball after catching it in the field of play, that is a fumble; the ball coming loose or being stripped, way out of bounds, and after the receiver has clearly caught (not juggled) & possessed it, should be irrelevant.
    What you are saying makes sense. He made the catch came down in bounds was pushed hard out of bounds by the defender before he landed, should be a TD.
    A ball carrier just has to break the plane of the goal line and it's TD, doesn't matter if he fumbles. And the ground can't make you fumble etc. etc.
    I know what the rule says but I still say touch down, in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleblue View Post
    What you are saying makes sense. He made the catch came down in bounds was pushed hard out of bounds by the defender before he landed, should be a TD.
    A ball carrier just has to break the plane of the goal line and it's TD, doesn't matter if he fumbles. And the ground can't make you fumble etc. etc.
    I know what the rule says but I still say touch down, in this case.
    Ball career that has clearly established possession only has to break the plain. I don’t think Smith ever really established possession. We see it all the time in the field of play where a receiver drops the ball after a hit even with both feet momentarily touching the ground. If it’s an incompletion in the field of play, it is in the end zone too.
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