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    Quote Originally Posted by R.J View Post

    Media blitzes work to a degree, and it seems as though the tailgating didn't.
    I'll say it again. It is ludicrous to suggest the tailgates were a failure on the basis of two years of experience. It's not as if the people of Toronto took a look and decided they weren't interested in Argonaut tailgates. The truth is that the average Joe was never even aware of the Argonaut tailgates, let alone what a great experience they can be. In a crowded sports marketplace with the Argos at the bottom of the media ladder it would have taken a lot longer than two years for a critical mass of Torontonians to even discover that Argonaut tailgates even exist in the first place.

    Tailgating is a tradition that grows over time, and it's pretty damn hard to establish a tradition in just two years, especially when relatively few people knows it even exists.
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    One thing being overlooked. If the tailgates made money ... MLSE would never cancel it. The process obviously cost them more than it was worth and they had the stats to show whether it was worth the effort for them.

    To me I'm happy we have ownership that stops any bleeding as fast as possible ... even if some fans are butthurt about it. Too many times in the past we watched ownerships throw good money after bad ideas.

    As to those worried about tailgating. Seems to me I remember plenty of organic tailgating when the Argos played at Skydome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    To me I'm happy we have ownership that stops any bleeding as fast as possible ... even if some fans are butthurt about it. Too many times in the past we watched ownerships throw good money after bad ideas.
    By that logic then the Argonauts should also stop all paid advertising and paid marketing because they spent huge money the last 2 seasons (especially the first season at BMO Field) and the attendance didn't increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    It's not as if the people of Toronto took a look and decided they weren't interested in Argonaut tailgates. The truth is that the average Joe was never even aware of the Argonaut tailgates, let alone what a great experience they can be.
    And yet some fans believe they were effective marketing. Something does not compute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwoods13 View Post
    And yet some fans believe they were effective marketing. Something does not compute.
    The Tailgates and the move to BMO Field are the only thing that have seemed to generate any buzz about the Argonauts since the signing of Ricky Williams and before that Rocket Ismail.

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    Well I see this thread went deep into dead horse territory!

    At the risk of being unsentimental, I will offer this: the team doesn't owe us a tailgate. The team doesn't owe us a detailed accounting of why they cancelled it. The team doesn't owe us shit. It's been losing money since 1990 and were it anything other than North America's oldest continuous sports franchise it would have folded long ago. The sense of entitlement that people have on this board astounds me sometimes.

    The 2017 Eastern Final was one of the best live sports experiences of my last decade, tailgate or no. The Argos are offering me a 25% ticket discount to come back for more and I'm gladly doing so, moving 20 yards closer to centre and adding an extra season ticket for good measure.

    If this latest ticket gambit doesn't work we might not have an Argo team to complain about in a few years. Knowing that, I think it's a great time to focus on the superb value of a game ticket and, as they say, pull together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tau Ceti View Post
    Well I see this thread went deep into dead horse territory!

    At the risk of being unsentimental, I will offer this: the team doesn't owe us a tailgate. The team doesn't owe us a detailed accounting of why they cancelled it. The team doesn't owe us shit. It's been losing money since 1990 and were it anything other than North America's oldest continuous sports franchise it would have folded long ago. The sense of entitlement that people have on this board astounds me sometimes.

    The 2017 Eastern Final was one of the best live sports experiences of my last decade, tailgate or no. The Argos are offering me a 25% ticket discount to come back for more and I'm gladly doing so, moving 20 yards closer to centre and adding an extra season ticket for good measure.

    If this latest ticket gambit doesn't work we might not have an Argo team to complain about in a few years. Knowing that, I think it's a great time to focus on the superb value of a game ticket and, as they say, pull together.
    Agreed. I was mad at the beginning before the price drop and official announcement as we only had naylor's tweet to go on. I used my credit plus an extra $20 to get a second seat in section 116, in hopes that I can bring people to the games repeatedly and hopefully get them hooked, as I was in 2009, thanks to a friend, though my seats at BMO are nowhere near as good as the sections at the 35-45 yard lines at Robbers Centre, I hope they will suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BATKINSON001 View Post
    Agreed. I was mad at the beginning before the price drop and official announcement as we only had naylor's tweet to go on. I used my credit plus an extra $20 to get a second seat in section 116, in hopes that I can bring people to the games repeatedly and hopefully get them hooked, as I was in 2009, thanks to a friend, though my seats at BMO are nowhere near as good as the sections at the 35-45 yard lines at Robbers Centre, I hope they will suffice.
    Pretty incredible you got hooked watching to 2009 Argonauts...thought it would have driven you away...far far away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilthethrill View Post
    Pretty incredible you got hooked watching to 2009 Argonauts...thought it would have driven you away...far far away.
    It was the whole football experience and the fact that the very first game I attended was actually the season opener in the hammer, one of our few wins that year. It was largely due to the ticats fans' passion and support for their team at that game that caught my interest. As such I wont make fun of or belittle the fans, but I have no problem picking on the team itself.

    I chose the Argos as they were the closer team to where I lived at the time and was easier and cheaper to get to see regularly (why support a team actively if you can't attend the games and see them live?).
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