What does Trestman's departure mean for us?

[paulwoods13]

According to the Chicago Trib, the Bears have confirmed his hiring. So Mtl needs a new head coach, and Trestman needs co-ordinators. Is anyone else worried that we might lose either Jones or Milanovich as a result of all this? I think there is an excellent chance we will lose Jones to Mtl, but not a very great chance we will lose SM to Chicago. I can't see Trestman hiring an OC who hasn't worked more than SM has in the NFL. But both are scary possibilities, IMO. If Jones goes to Mtl, I guess O'Shea would be the most logical replacement as DC.

[294life]

It's definitely going to be an interesting next few weeks.

[AaronInToronto]

I thought the exact same thing as I read the article moment's ago. Scott's got a good thing going here so doubtful he'll go anywhere.

[294life]

I thought the exact same thing as I read the article moment's ago. Scott's got a good thing going here so doubtful he'll go anywhere.

agreed. why leave just to keep the same post. the argos fan base is on the rise while the als are receding. whoever gets hired will have some big shoes to fill and an aging QB who now lost his mentor.

[ArgoGabe22]

I believe Paul meant losing SM as a member of Trestmans staff in Chicago not jump ship Mtl

[Wobbler]

Wow - exciting news, and probably good for the league. I can't remember the last time a CFL HC stepped into an NFL HC position. Provided that Trestman doesn't fall on his face, the CFL's credibility will be enhanced.

As for our coaching staff, I have no idea how committed any of our people are.

[doubleblue]

I can see Trestman wanting coordinators that he knows and trusts. The OC and DC jobs in the NFL may pay quite a bit more than the HC job in the CFL. What looked like quite stable HC positions in the CFL this year could suddenly be disrupted if Milanovich and maybe Winnipeg's Burke were to follow Trestman to Chicago as the OC and DC. Or Jones might go as a package deal with Milanovich.
Montreal is going to be scrambling now looking for a new Coaching staff, and if Popp leaves that will really throw a wrench into things.
Does Desjardins stay in Montreal or accept the Ottawa job as rumoured.

[Deerkeeper]

Wow - exciting news, and probably good for the league. I can't remember the last time a CFL HC stepped into an NFL HC position. Provided that Trestman doesn't fall on his face, the CFL's credibility will be enhanced.

As for our coaching staff, I have no idea how committed any of our people are.I just can't understand how anyone can say this is good for the league when your top players and coaches are continuously being syphoned off to go somewhere else. Continuity is one thing everyone agrees that the CFL needs, yet we celebrate when top personnel we want continuity around keep disappearing. The Als are now finding themselves in a desperate situation of now trying to find a coach and maybe a GM right at draft and free agent time. The Alouettes may be a shambles this season, but hey, it's good for the league.

[AngeloV]

Trestman has been in the NFL for many years in the past, and I'm sure developed good relationships with plenty of coaches down there. I don't think we have too much to worry about in terms of losing Milanovich to him. Jones to Montreal is a possibility, but it depends on whether or not they want to keep the philosophy of an offence first guy as their head coach.

[ArgoGabe22]

I don't think Jones will ever be a CFL HC imo. He looks like a co-ordinator for life and will then become a GM when the time is right. Greg Marshall would probably still have a job if he didn't accept that job in Riderland. It took Stubler 2 years to get another job and clearly he's a better DC than a HC. Looks like DCs don't have a lot of success, Richie Hall being another.

[matthew]

I think you're going to see Lapolice get interviewed there. Good news for Marc but he was so classy its a shame for the league to lose him.

[294life]

I believe Paul meant losing SM as a member of Trestmans staff in Chicago not jump ship Mtl

My bad. There was talk about it in other forums so it was a reflex response.

It was time for him to go. The media here was starting to bash him claiming coaches were leaving because he was a tyrant. He'll do fine in Bears country. He'll be as committed a coach as the NFL has ever seen.

[294life]

I think you're going to see Lapolice get interviewed there. Good news for Marc but he was so classy its a shame for the league to lose him.

Lots of candidates out there and lots of money left on the table to maneuver with. He'll make the cfl proud as Levy and Bud Grant did. He's going to a contender team. Wouldn't be surprised to see him win it all as a rookie.

[ArgoGabe22]

I just can't understand how anyone can say this is good for the league when your top players and coaches are continuously being syphoned off to go somewhere else. Continuity is one thing everyone agrees that the CFL needs, yet we celebrate when top personnel we want continuity around keep disappearing. The Als are now finding themselves in a desperate situation of now trying to find a coach and maybe a GM right at draft and free agent time. The Alouettes may be a shambles this season, but hey, it's good for the league.

I think it's good in a way that now the rest of of North America may see the CFL as a very good, competitive league and not some side show with NFL rejects or that we only hire Canadians or do scouting trips in the Arctic (or whatever other insults there are out there). It's guys like this that make the league look bad, and most people do not have their own opinion and just believe whatever they read. The guy claims anyone can coach a team to the Grey Cup

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best

[mchesher03]

Means the odds of a Hamilton - Toronto East Final at the 'Dome just increased just a little bit.

[ArgoGabe22]

At least SM is safe

"New Chicago Bears (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/teams/chicago-bears) Head Coach Marc Trestman (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/01/16/chicago-bears-hire-marc-trestman-as-their-new-head-coach/) has wasted no time in hiring new coaches. Just a few short hours after being named Head Coach by the Bears, he brings in former New Orleans Saints (http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/teams/new-orleans-saints) interim Head Coach Aaron Kromer as the team’s offensive coordinator and offensive line coach."

[OV Argo]

I think it's good in a way that now the rest of of North America may see the CFL as a very good, competitive league and not some side show with NFL rejects or that we only hire Canadians or do scouting trips in the Arctic (or whatever other insults there are out there). It's guys like this that make the league look bad, and most people do not have their own opinion and just believe whatever they read. The guy claims anyone can coach a team to the Grey Cup

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21563377/the-bears-hire-of-marc-trestman-puzzling-at-best


If the "rest of North America" doesn't get that the CFL is a good football league - after decades of examples like - Bud Grant & Marv Levy, Tom Clements as coaching examples, or Warren Moon, Jeff Garcia, Vanderjagt, etc. etc. thru to Cameron Wake or Brandon Browner now as players, then IMO - Trestman going to the Bears as HC is next to irrelevant in terms of changing any percpetions there.

Is what it is for the CFL; top players or coaches are sometimes going to get attention and jump at the chance to make big buck$ and get way more prestige in their own country; congrats to Trestman; and learn to deal with this type of thing CFL fans - it is inherent in the way the CFL is now set-up and run.

[1argoholic]

Too bad he's gone to the stinky Bears. haha. Good for him and I was worried right away that he'd try and take Milanovich with him. This is what coaching is all about. It's mostly a career of bouncing all over the place. Not many guys stick with one team for years and years.

[ArgoRavi]

Milanovich isn't going anywhere. I do worry about losing Jones to Montreal but he does have a pretty good gig in Toronto as he has considerable say in personnel with the Argonauts.

[ArgoRavi]

My bad. There was talk about it in other forums so it was a reflex response.

It was time for him to go. The media here was starting to bash him claiming coaches were leaving because he was a tyrant. He'll do fine in Bears country. He'll be as committed a coach as the NFL has ever seen.

You may be right that it was time for Trestman to move on, both for himself and the team. I thought that it was quite telling that Marcus Brady skipped town as soon as he could after he was Trestman's pick only a year ago to be the offensive coordinator and he did a fine job.

[294life]

Milanovich isn't going anywhere. I do worry about losing Jones to Montreal but he does have a pretty good gig in Toronto as he has considerable say in personnel with the Argonauts.

Listening to what Popp said to the local media I have a feeling that Jones will not be the guy. He seems to know which direction to go and might find someone like trestman that everyone will be asking 'who?'

Bears fans are asking that very question as we speak. :rolleyes:

[Wobbler]

If the "rest of North America" doesn't get that the CFL is a good football league - after decades of examples like - Bud Grant & Marv Levy, Tom Clements as coaching examples, or Warren Moon, Jeff Garcia, Vanderjagt, etc. etc. thru to Cameron Wake or Brandon Browner now as players, then IMO - Trestman going to the Bears as HC is next to irrelevant in terms of changing any percpetions there.
It takes constant reinforcement, with new players/coaches getting attention (every year, ideally) to maintain a positive perception. Do you base your current opinion of the Arena League on the players that came to the CFL 20 years ago? Heck, most NFL watchers have already forgotten that Browner played in the CFL.

[Will]

It is worth noting that many of the comments on the CBS site beneath that article disagree with the author.

[LLB997]

As you post on this forum , posters down here (south of the border) are commenting on Trestmans haircut. This forum is rich on football knowledge, do not expect CFL perceptions amongst the brainless down here to change.

[294life]

Trestman has lots of contacts and will likely recommend some fresh candidates to Popp to continue following his system as he did with David Kelly in edmonton. Popp is not the type to hire re-tread players or coaches. He likes to bring in new folk to keep the league fresh. with Thorpe already named as DC the possibility of Jones coming here becomes moot.

[argolio]

I can't remember the last time a CFL HC stepped into an NFL HC position.Forrest Gregg leaving the Argos for the Bengals in 1980. Hard to believe he parlayed a 5-11 Argo season into an NFL job.

[Ron]

Losing Trestman is not a big deal. Popp has reloaded a few times and been quite successful. Losing Popp would be the biggie.

[Invader]

I can't remember the last time a CFL HC stepped into an NFL HC position. .
Bud Grant, Marv Levy, Frank Kush to name a few.

[RoRoYoBoat]

I don't think Jones will ever be a CFL HC imo. He looks like a co-ordinator for life and will then become a GM when the time is right. Greg Marshall would probably still have a job if he didn't accept that job in Riderland. It took Stubler 2 years to get another job and clearly he's a better DC than a HC. Looks like DCs don't have a lot of success, Richie Hall being another.

Don Matthews and Wally Buono disagree

[paulwoods13]

Bud Grant, Marv Levy, Frank Kush to name a few.

Levy left Montreal after 1977 (won Grey Cup), Gregg left Toronto after 1979 (finished 5-11) and Kush left Hamilton after 1981 (finished first at 11-4-1, lost Eastern Final to 5-11 Ottawa). Those were the last three.

[ArgoRavi]

Levy left Montreal after 1977 (won Grey Cup), Gregg left Toronto after 1979 (finished 5-11) and Kush left Hamilton after 1981 (finished first at 11-4-1, lost Eastern Final to 5-11 Ottawa). Those were the last three.

Those are the last three who went directly from the CFL to the NFL. Hugh Campbell had a one-year stop in the old USFL between his stints as head coach of the Esks (won five Grey Cups in a row) and the Houston Oilers where he started in 1984.

[294life]

Those are the last three who went directly from the CFL to the NFL. Hugh Campbell had a one-year stop in the old USFL between his stints as head coach of the Esks (won five Grey Cups in a row) and the Houston Oilers where he started in 1984.

which goes to show that winning 5 in a row is not a gage of having success in the nfl.

[Will]

The reaction on the Vikings board I post at is actually pretty guarded. I suppose they know better then to pick on the CFL because of Bud Grant.

[argolio]

Forgot about Frank Kush. Great coach, but one of those Woody Hayes-types who was wrapped a bit too tight which got the best of him eventually.

[Argonauter]

He's a reporter for Chicago Tribune.

@BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs): One source told me Argonauts head coach Scott Milanovich, former Maryland QB, could possibly join Bears (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bears) staff.

[294life]

He's a reporter for Chicago Tribune.

@BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs): One source told me Argonauts head coach Scott Milanovich, former Maryland QB, could possibly join Bears (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bears) staff.

chris jones would then become argo HC for sure.

[ArgoRavi]

He's a reporter for Chicago Tribune.

@BradBiggs (http://twitter.com/BradBiggs): One source told me Argonauts head coach Scott Milanovich, former Maryland QB, could possibly join Bears (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bears) staff.

I doubt that Milanovich has an out in his Argo contract to become a position coach in the NFL but I could be wrong.

[ArgoRavi]

which goes to show that winning 5 in a row is not a gage of having success in the nfl.

Campbell walked into a hornet's nest in Houston though. He didn't exactly have a model GM or owner to work for IIRC.

[argolio]

I doubt that Milanovich has an out in his Argo contract to become a position coach in the NFL but I could be wrong.Even if there is no such clause, do you think the Argos would stand in his way if he really wanted to go?

[ArgoRavi]

Even if there is no such clause, do you think the Argos would stand in his way if he really wanted to go?

Probably not. Barker said on tsn.ca tonight that Milanovich has expressed no interest to him in pursuing other job opportunities.

[Rich]

There's no way Milanovich leaves, he's an ambitious guy who wants to be a head coach in the NFL someday, and he knows the only way to go is to do just what Trestman did, establish himself as a very successful head coach in the CFL first.

[ArgoRavi]

There's no way Milanovich leaves, he's an ambitious guy who wants to be a head coach in the NFL someday, and he knows the only way to go is to do just what Trestman did, establish himself as a very successful head coach in the CFL first.

The offensive coordinator job is already filled in Chicago which leaves something like QB coach for Milanovich. George Cortez left Buffalo and the position of QB coach to become head coach in Hamilton last off-season for what that is worth. Milanovich gets to call the plays in Toronto and simply has a lot more responsibility for what I would guess is pretty decent pay. I think that taking a QB coach position in the NFL wouldn't necessarily be a step forward for Milanovich and I tend to agree with what you are saying, Rich.

[paulwoods13]

There's no way Milanovich leaves, he's an ambitious guy who wants to be a head coach in the NFL someday, and he knows the only way to go is to do just what Trestman did, establish himself as a very successful head coach in the CFL first.

If he wants to follow in Trestman's footsteps, he will want to establish his NFL credentials as a position coach. Trestman did that for many more years than he was a CFL head coach. I don't think we can safely assume Scott would not accept a role as QB coach. Trestman's NFL rep is as a QB guru who then added head coaching credentials. SM has barely the latter, and none of the former (yet).

[Argonauter]

A different quarterbacks coach was named for the Bears resulted in Dave Naylor and Steve Simmons to say that Milanovich isn't leaving. It looks like that Chicago Tribunes reporters source was wrong.

[Ron]

As you post on this forum , posters down here (south of the border) are commenting on Trestmans haircut. This forum is rich on football knowledge, do not expect CFL perceptions amongst the brainless down here to change.

Ya, and every "who the hell is that" new coach gets proper perceptions around here every time. ;)

[1argoholic]

My worries exactly when I heard of Trestman getting that Bears job, losing Milanovich to Chicago. I really hope what we're trying to build in TO doesn't blow up in our faces because of what Trestman did. I can't imagine losing Milanovich to the Bears and Jones to Montreal as there head coach. That would gut us and any momentum gathered from Grey Cup 100.

[doubleblue]

Trestman has hired former NFL QB and Coach Matt Cavanaugh as his QB Coach. So that might close the door on the Milanovich rumours.
I thought Trestman might want Milo as his QB Coach plus Assistant Head Coach, as someone close to him he could trust. A job that would probably triple the money Milanovich is making in Toronto.
But whatever happens I hope for all the best for Marc and success in Chicago. He is my kind of Coach.

[294life]

and dabears.com is an awesome fansite.